SPEAKER_01 0:00

Well, that was a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Okay, it's not here.

SPEAKER_03 0:06

That was my I hit record sound effect.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

And we've just said goodbye to Deluf.

SPEAKER_04 0:34

Greetings.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

You gonna do Oh, you want to do the podcast?

SPEAKER_01 0:40

At some point tonight. Greetings andor salutations, and welcome to Imbibe Cinema. The Imbibe Cinema Podcast is brought to you by the Blue Whiskey Independent Film Festival, otherwise known as BWF. We seek independent, character-driven films of all lengths, styles, and genres. To learn more, please visit us at WIF.com. Uh I am Festival Operations Director and MC Jonathan C. Leggett, along with my co-hosts, Executive Director Michael Beanowans, and Cinema Centennial Program Director, Trisha Leggett. In this episode, we are going to be discussing Michael Showwalter's Hello, my name is Doris. The cocktail we are imbibing is the Staten Island Ferry, which is named, of course, uh after the ferry that gets you to Staten Island. The interesting thing about this is this is the only uh the Staten Island is the only borough that does not actually have a drink directly named after it. It has it named after the ferry. Um and uh the interesting thing about this drink is that it is essentially a pina colada. Um and and the joke about it, or the reason for this drink, is because you live on an island and one would think island life, and I'm using giant air quotes when I say that. So that's why it is a pina colada on the rocks, not blended, and it doesn't have coconut milk, because there's no coconuts on Staten Island. So that is why this is an island drink, but not really. Oh the god, the air quote. I mean, if they can't hear my air quotes of island drink. Um and and so that's uh yeah. Uh it's really tasty though. Um, the fairy is featured in the film, hence.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Well that yeah, uh she lives on Staten Island.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

Yes, but the fairy is featured in the film.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

That is the connection.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

Just trying to, you know, say that we don't just drink for the sake of drinking.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

No, we don't just drink. You don't.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Important word, just I built an entire bar to house the liquor that we are getting for this podcast. Um, so I will state this film was definitely not the comedy that I was expecting when I saw the preview. No. Um it was still amazingly funny, but uh this was a truly heartfelt movie um where it managed to mix uh the humorous situations with what I would lovingly call cringe-worthy humanity moments.

SPEAKER_03 3:07

Yes, not like, you know, uh movies that I know I'm not crazy about are, you know, just embarrassing. Yeah. Like putting you in a situation where it's just embarrassing, and the fact that you're so embarrassed and so like in the wrong situation, that's what's funny, and the worst that it gets for that individual, that like whole Schadenfreude uh German thing.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Um what's wrong with that?

SPEAKER_03 3:31

No, just because you know they're the only ones that have a word for it.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

We we're staring at me this whole time, like John's the German, not me. Why do you think? No, but but you know I married him? Oh, my bad.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

There's your Schadenfreude.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

There you go. Come on, set and match.

SPEAKER_03 3:50

But based off of just even the trailer, uh, what I really liked about this is like you think you're gonna go see a movie that's very like that's one thing, it's very, very funny, and that's like it's just gonna, it's it's not gonna have that real humanity moment. And that's what I I loved about watching it is that the experience was so much deeper than what you got off the surface level. And um when, you know, there's that inevitable thing that you're waiting for uh throughout the film, um, for her to you know confront her feelings and and and actually share this, you think that it's gonna go one way and it and it doesn't quite go exactly the way that that you would think in a movie that's advertised like this. True. Um and I and I really liked that.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

The thing that I actually loved most about the ending uh uh of this film was was how inception-esque the end of this film was. Um because uh uh again, throughout the course of this entire film, she's she's having daydreams, uh fantasies of how she wants situation X, Y, or Z to play out, and it never actually plays out that way. In fact, she's usually caught daydreaming in that moment. And at the very end, she has this I'm going to the elevator, and he chases after her, and they have this moment, and then all of a sudden it snaps too, and she's at the elevator alone, and he's still in his office, and yet she gets into the the the elevator, and all of a sudden he then chases after her. And again, the question becomes was the dreidel like did the dreidel just hit a uh a thing and it's just gonna keep spinning? Was she daydreaming yet again that he is now chasing after her, or was he actually chasing after her?

SPEAKER_00 5:42

And if he was, was it a romantic gesture like in these films that you predict? Or is it no, really, I you know, I forgive you.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

Toilet paper on your shoe, or no.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Oh. Uh more of I forgive you and our friendship has merit and so forth. Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

Oh, you take the noble. Good for you.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

I married you.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

That's not noble.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

So he's taking the self-deprecation. Yeah, it's mine. He's taking your tool away. And then it's so John. Yeah. So John's a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 6:16

I've stolen your birthday well wish. It's mine now. And then everybody's like, oh, John's thing, that's so cool. I'm like, fuck you, that was my thing.

SPEAKER_03 6:24

Well, you've gone on the record now.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Yep. It's Trisha's thing. People will know that you started. Well, you didn't. All about Eve. I mean, technically, it was probably a thing about it. It was a thing. It was a thing. You were a thing.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

Once, Johnny. Anyways. What were we talking about?

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Uh, we're talking about Hello, my name is Dorison. So I think that Michael Show Walter, uh, who um directed this film, um, did such an amazing job. And again, he's he's he uh was one of the writers, one of the stars of Wet Hot American Summer. The man is absolutely hysterical.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

I did like a double take when I found out that he directed this. I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, the same Michael Show Walter from Wet Hot American Summer? Yeah, that can't be right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

His his humanity, the big sick and Hello, my name is Doris. The humanity in these.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

Where I I would go, oh, the guy that did the big sick? Well, that totally makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Oh, okay. But but then if you then think of him as the dude in Wet Hot American Summer, I don't remember the film as well as you do. Oh man, that's one of my favorite lines of all time, is the one I do with Corinne, my former roommate, Corey. Just I want you inside me. What was that? Oh, it was it was from the four.

unknown 7:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:41

Michael Show Walter line.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:43

There's a lot of things I'm sure John says that are actually from that movie. That's fair. That's fair.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

And this is where John takes credit for somebody else's stuff. So it's not just me.

SPEAKER_03 7:51

Yeah, I'm just a flag. I am a blanket. Quick sidebar to what was being said. So this morning I was pouring some la colomb coffee. Yeah, that's a shameless plug for la colombe, but it's important to the story. I was pouring some la colomb cold brew into my thermos uh before going to work, and I was like, um pour in the cologne of la or something like that. And then Catherine says to me, So do you just start to channel John when you know you're about to see him? And I thought that that was extremely funny, and I was like, no, I would do that on any day. That's not John's thing. He's never stood the cologne of Laz. So he inceptioned Catherine or me? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

But anyway, so getting credit for other people's stuff and owning it is trademarked by John Lincoln. Exactly. That is his thing. You have a thing, we discovered it's your thing. Yay.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

Wait. So my thing is other people's things. No, it's actually uh written as a short film uh by Laura Toruso.

unknown 9:05

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

So this this got expanded. Michael Showwalter and Laura worked together uh to write the feature length. Okay. Um, and then he directed it.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

There are a lot of things in this film that I find very interesting that are not like deep dive dealt with or connected in a way where you would think most films try to like tie up with a bow, oh why does she dress like that? No, she's just a snazzy dresser for a very introverted person. She has a really wild uh wardrobe. Right. And it's it's awesome, but it's part of her character. And it doesn't make you think it's weird. Um you I enjoyed the hell out of it. Oh, yeah. Um, but it's one of those things that Sally Field does such an amazing job of like making it her second skin and and all of the things that are this character.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

Like you believe that that's actually how she dresses, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

Well, yeah, and the fact that this is all like all of there's some some of the most absurd things she makes so personal and vulnerable and honest, and it's like, wow. But um also like they kind of they go into the whole like this is you know, like fake online persona in order to get to know somebody, but we don't go too deep down that rabbit hole. We only go a little bit. We take a you know, you step your foot in there and then you get up before you're totally stalker and creepy. And then uh there are other aspects uh as well, um, like the uh uh her hoarding issue, yeah. It could have been a heavier note, and it's not the relationship with her brother and her sister-in-law, who in the brief time that we've met her, I don't know about you, Michael, but we all wanted to just pitch slap her.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Oh yeah, yeah. Uh Wendy McClendon uh from uh Reno 911, uh the Goldbergs. She like as a sister-in-law, or just as a human being, you're like, Oh my god, you are a horrible human being.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

Right, but she reminds you of somebody that you've either heard of from somebody else or somebody you know, and it's it's one of those things where you're like, Oh my god, I hate that person so much.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

I mean, she played it so well though, because you're you're sitting there going, I I understand where you think you're you're you're coming from, as it you know, like being you know, you you can't keep living here.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

One of the great moments, I think, um, with the gentleman who played uh her brother Stephen Root. Thank you very much, who I've seen in a bunch of stuff and like Office Space, Dodge Wall. He uh he has this great moment where you kind of like you saw the setup where they were all schmooziner because they want the house. Yes, yeah, and then sell it. Uh right, and and then you watch how it turns when they don't get what they want. Uh and how you know the truth is revealed. Uh but then you would think he's just a terrible person until you have that one scene with him and her by themselves where he's honestly, you know, I'm afraid you're turning into mom. Like you have you I can't leave you here. Like you can see like there's guilt. I left you here too long. Look what happened to you. And that is such a really great moment to give that character and and just so that you don't think like, you know, people aren't always just a jerk or you know, a saint. There's usually a little bit of both. Uh, and I really like that that because m characters like that and films like this especially can come off very one-dimensional. Yeah. And we've I mean, obviously, a lot of the independent film we've watched uh recently has we one of the things that we really call out is how supporting roles that have so much to offer that are so nuanced that you don't typically see. You kind of expect a stereotype, a cookie cutter thing. And again, this is another film where I think the supporting roles you're like, damn, there is more meat on the bone than you thought there'd be.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Absolutely. And and you know, and that all clearly starts in the in the in the writer's room. There's so much backstory that isn't presented as exposition in the first five minutes of the movie, right? Instead, it's filtered throughout, like that scene is so much later in the movie with um the sorry, the brother. That scene is so much later in the movie, right? Right, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 13:30

It's practically towards the very end.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

Yeah, it's so much later, and yet you're still discovering more and more about this character. And um, and then the other thing that I like um about what you mentioned with the um like the the hoarding and uh the social media stocking. It's so easy, I feel, for a writer to have this idea that helps support a character, and then they go, well, let's go take it further, let's take it further, and let's take it further. And then you get to a point where you've now kind of gone, well, not kind of, you've gone beyond reality, you've gone into more of like a caricature because you've gone too far with it. Where in real life, real people, they they they reach a point where they're like, Okay, okay, now I'm gonna come back from that. Yeah. Um, I've gone a little crazy here, so I'm gonna come back from that. You know, like her as a hoarder, we could have really gone down that route if we really wanted to, but it would have then it would it wouldn't have supported what the character was all about. It would have been about a huge part of the movie would have been about her as a hoarder.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:39

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 14:40

Right. And and uh I do like that they did not make her hoardering her hoarding um a a caricature. The the house was cluttered, but we're not talking like stacks of magazines that that reached the ceiling. Like it was not anything outlandish, it was very you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

And this is this is meant to be uh a visual uh like a symb well, it's symbolism of a larger problem. Yes. Uh and the fact that she has basically built herself up into a little uh a little fortress and that uh she the it's a call for help. The fact that she has all this stuff that means so much to her because there she wants something to mean so much to her, and there is nothing because her whole world has been her mother. Yeah. And that was out of obligation and guilt motivated, and that her whole life was sacrificed and she's now waking up to it in a way.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

Yeah. So uh I have to ask, is there anything that you, either of you, uh I'll I'll try to think of one myself, but is there anything that you have collected or or continue to collect that you realize at this point it is folly and it's just clutter?

SPEAKER_03 16:00

Uh yeah, I can go first. Um absolutely all the time. Um I have so much stuff. Like every card that I get I keep. I don't throw those away. Um every uh they go into a shoebox. Okay. Um and I have shoeboxes for different things. Oh my so cards for the most part go into one thing, but then like I I keep art, I keep all sorts of things. Anything that means something a lot to somebody to give to me, it means enough to me that I feel I should hold on to it. Now is that ridiculous though? Because I'm talking like years and years worth of stuff. There's several shoeboxes of things. It's like, well, I can't get rid of those. And then I reach a certain point too with a lot of stuff where I'm like, well, I've held on to this for so long. Now guard it now.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

And let me let me tell you what I have the advice I've given on behalf of a certain family member who shall be nameless. I have said, you know what? If you want to keep it, but you're never actually gonna go into it, right? It's just the presence of something that you can't let go of. Just get a bonfire. I mean organize first, but then get a bonfire. Burn it, keep the ashes in a little urn, and then you just label it. And then you have it like a cabinet that has all this shit, and it's pretty and it's labeled, and you know where it is.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

So now you just have a bunch of labeled urns saying like it's like a cards.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

It's like an urn card card. Child artwork 2001.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

See, that that only reminds me of of of of my personal favorite, which is uh uh uh a uh a friend of my family who was over at my mother's house uh and uh uh kicks back to relax on the on the sofa and uh knocked a pillow into uh uh an urn and it tipped over and luckily tipped into the wall in a way that it just kind of like pressed up against the wall, and he's like, Oh shit, was that anything important? I went, No, it's just my dad.

SPEAKER_03 18:12

Sorry, that shouldn't be funny, but it's hysterical.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

What's better was the fact that Judy's like, I just didn't know where to put him, but then I'm like, he always liked him being in front of the television, but they must have had a fight because now he's over by the desk. And he does not get a good view. No, maybe he doesn't like what maybe she thinks he would be judging what she's watching.

SPEAKER_03 18:30

Oh, I do she cover it up when she watches the ghost whisperer or something.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

No, no, she doesn't do that. No, it's more like Keith Urban or whoever the right now it's just Queen, which I Queen, yeah, she's a she's in a big uh big queen for me.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

Would he not approve?

SPEAKER_00 18:46

I don't think he would care about Queen.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Like whether or not she's watching Queen.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

No. Or, you know, but it's you know, they had a relationship beyond you, so who knows?

SPEAKER_01 18:55

That's true. But yeah, no, that that's just I'm just thinking of all these labeled urns, and that's the only thought that goes through my head.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

No, that'd be awesome. Just think of the story there. You look at it and it's like, you know, it's this job from this date to this date. It's it's weird. All your your your college uh uh like papers and notes and whatnot. So everything under this books.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Yeah, and then all that is under this, and then like your dad, and then like the only thing about this is now I'm seeing like I mean, unless you start to really compile some of these groupings together, there's a lot of urns, and to me that's almost more but but if somebody's like, hey, now you're collecting urns.

SPEAKER_03 19:42

It's so much easier to give it to you. Just be like, look, I actually I filed it all right in here. Here you go.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

No, uh, because you can scan this stuff, guys. Just don't breathe it. Just put it on like a series of USB ports. Um or into the cloud. Into the cloud. Oh no, you break the cloud. Can we break a cloud?

SPEAKER_03 20:01

I don't know. Our podcast hasn't broken the cloud yet yet.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

Yet. Um, but then that leads me down this rabbit hole of like, okay, folks, this has nothing to do with this movie, so we have to find a movie that has something to do with urns. Because now I'm curious, what happens if somebody in your family is in an urn and then like that person dies? Who inherits the urn? Like, do people get passed down generation to generation? Like, what do you do at that point?

SPEAKER_03 20:27

Should we take a call? I mean, if we took calls, that would be a moment. Oh my god. By the way, we're be like, Has somebody ever passed an urn down to you? Please call 555. 5555.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

5555.

SPEAKER_03 20:42

It's too many fives.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

Oh, whatever. That was uh international call. Um, Trish, is there anything that you have kept that uh you realize is just clutter?

SPEAKER_00 20:54

To this day, like there are certain like special things, like very important things. Okay, this I will keep. I will go through on a sorting basis, and then I can't I can't get rid of a thank you note right away. Or I can't get rid of uh uh a like a birth announcement or anything like that. Anything in that that's kind of like it doesn't fall into the keep forever exactly, be depending on who it is, um, but doesn't like it.

SPEAKER_03 21:22

It's like let's put it on the fridge until we're like we've had this for long enough, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:26

They're five now, we can take it down. Um but that kind of thing, but there was a point where it's like with thank you notes or stuff like that, I'm like, oh my god, I keep it. Or birthday cards. Uh I'll keep it, and then it's like it has to have like like there's gotta be like a a a mourning period where it sits on the counter for so long before it gets to the garbage.

SPEAKER_03 21:46

Like it can't be in it seems too cold to read it, go to read it, absorb it, enjoy it, and immediately discard it. It just feels wrong.

SPEAKER_00 21:55

It feels like people are judging you somewhere else on the planet. Yes, I get that. If you're not recycling, you're totally being judged. You should be recycling.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

But the uh the thing I will say is I I totally am all for people that can do that.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Read it, absorb it, toss it. I do like what you do with her Christmas cards. That they you you tape them to um the soffit. Uh and they're on display. I live my favorite part of Christmas. She displays all the Christmas cards. Yeah, we do the same thing shortly after Christmas is over. The thing for me, I think, is uh electronics. Um the thing for me is I think uh um wires.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Uh you do keep a lot of wires.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

We have baskets of them. Well, I mean, like yeah, we have entire baskets of them. Like I think the problem is just like we'll be like, oh, this VCR or something is is is broken. Let's get rid of the VCR. But it's like, no, we the power strip comes out. I mean, we might need that at some point. I I don't know why I do it.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

Oh, yeah, because you know you'll need a VCR. I mean, it's actually happened with this podcast, by the way. Yeah. I think it was the first day I was like, oh crap, I don't have this. And it was like a wire. I needed a quarter to quarter inch cable, which most people, unless you know, they have an electric guitar, use.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

And sure enough, John has an electric guitar. And now granted, I I sometimes play my electric guitar, so it's not a chord I just have extra, but yeah, I managed to have that. Uh Doris, throughout the this film, uh has a number of daydreams where she does get lost in herself uh and then uh snaps out of it only as people are calling um attention to it. Have you ever had a moment uh where your daydream got you in trouble?

SPEAKER_03 23:51

Oh yeah, for sure. Not not in, I don't think in my adult life. Well, that's for sure in high school. Because I would totally zone out and be thinking about whatever movie script I was working on. Basically, that was all of my notebooks. My history notebook, movie notebook, math, math notebook. Sometimes just like a page of numbers that I would turn to when the teacher walked by. But movie notebook. Yeah, I mean, I for sure would get caught in this moment where I'd be like staring off, thinking about something, or looking like I'm paying attention. That's actually probably the worst. Where I'm looking, but I'm not like there's that daze over your eyes. Glaze, thank you. Daze. Um I'm dazed and confused.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Now I'm thinking of donuts because you said glaze.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Krispy Kreme.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Krispy Kreme. Um you have to be Catholic to get it.

SPEAKER_03 24:51

Anyway. But anyway, so I would be just like looking at you know the teacher, and then they would like say they would look out at the room and they would ask for the answer. And you're making eye contact. I'm already making eye contact, and I would be like, Oh just said my name. Um I I don't know. Um, and then they would ask another question, like to help me out, it just gets worse. And it just gets worse. Oh, yeah. And then they're like, okay, we'll try somebody else then. Michael Stay after class.

unknown 25:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

See, no, I'm still uh I've worked very hard to uh keep my daydreams in check. Um, I'm very good. Um, I like to think of it like John's acting abilities. John is an incredible actor. I'm really. I'm not just saying this because I like him a lot. No. Um he can he can uh be goofing around on set and then they're like action and like that. He's in character, it's amazing to watch. He just can flip a switch and go from uh off to on. And uh he's taking this in a filthy way, right? Yeah, I did. But it it he just can be that focused and that and can switch from uh fun to work, and so I have uh I have worked very hard to be uh very good at that, and I daydream all the fucking time. And and then when I realize reality is excuse me, uh back over here, then I'll be like, yeah, uh I'm really good at at work uh when there are lapses uh in between customers where you're just standing by yourself in a room. I was thinking that kid with the Chuck Norris movie. Oh yeah, I can remember, yeah, I know. Totally there. That's that's where my I'm having adventures with Chuck Norris. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh hi. And I'm really here. Yeah, I'm really here. I was, you know, saving orphans and Chechnya, but I'm back.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

900 orphans, Chechnyan orphans. Right, yes.

SPEAKER_00 27:03

Um, and uh yeah, and I find that it's uh I'm only not totally aware that I'm doing it in the car. In the car, I totally will go off and have these great ideas and whatnot, and then that's not scary at all. No, I only cart the children around with me.

SPEAKER_03 27:19

I'll be like thinking about the song and like trying to interpret the song in a certain way. Um and sometimes it's a song I've heard a million times, and I'm like, oh my god, I never looked at it that way.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

I wonder what they were doing when they were writing this. Yeah, you do.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

Um But it doesn't mean you're not, you know, attentive to safety. I'm a professional daydreamer.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

I got this I got okay. Mine's boring. It's just gonna be work, but No! Tell us a meeting that that I got You got busted? I got busted for daydreaming in a meeting. It's but that's that's nothing. That's nothing.

SPEAKER_00 27:57

That's worse. I hate that. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

What were you daydreaming about? Uh I don't really recall what what I was but your mind was just elsewhere. It was just elsewhere, and then all of a sudden they're like, hey John, what do you think we can accomplish that in my hubs?

SPEAKER_03 28:15

Oh, see, and I would be real bad in that moment. I would be like, absolutely, absolutely. And then be like, great. And then I would turn to the person next to me and go, just agree.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

Problem is when you're working uh remotely and you have no one to turn to. Just see my that was actually what I was recording all your car calls, so then you can like play them back.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

No, thankfully I I don't daydream much when I'm working from home. The daydreaming for this particular instance was Oh, in an office. In the office, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

Oh, okay. I find myself, I know everybody is a little different, but I find myself uh getting distracted, daydreaming or whatever, um, thinking about other things when I'm in like a hectic setting. Because there's just like it's like too much I'm it's like too much stimulation. Or it's just like that I'm like, I have to like calm my mind, and so like I take this little like mental vacation where if I can close my door and I I listen to movie scores a lot while I work, it I get into like a rhythm and uh I'm able to really focus. Um I'm not I mean I know the argument there is when you're listening to music, you're doing actually two things.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

No, that's the thing. You know what I mean? They talk about all this all the time. Writers will I I don't know how many times I've heard uh interviews with writers where they talk about they they write to music, and I'm like, how can you do that? Because then I'm listening to the music. I couldn't, it's two things at the same time. It depends on the music. No, but scoring scoring if you were listening to a oh my god, that makes everything you're doing sound much more important.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

Yeah, it makes everything so crucial and when you drive also to score all to God to like like Batman Returns, the Born Supremacy soundtrack. Yeah, it's awesome, by the way. You're like, yeah, I'm going 25, but it's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

That's the thing. I can't, I I personally cannot code or write documentation while listening to 80s music because unfortunately for me, I start typing the lyrics because again, my brain makes that connection where words that I'm typing are become the words that I'm that I'm hearing. Whereas a score, to me, that's that's that to me just it it it gives you an energy. Yes. Um uh and and and because it's telling a story without words, yeah. And it's not multitasking because again, like if I'm singing 80s tunes at the same time I'm working, yeah, that's multitasking. That's just dumb on my part. All right. Uh so we're gonna take a few minutes to uh fill our glasses and get ready to imbibe more after this.

SPEAKER_03 30:54

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SPEAKER_01 31:51

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SPEAKER_03 32:09

Not one, all of them.

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SPEAKER_03 32:17

But I just was like, all of them.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

On your favorite one of the your personal favorite. You can do it again.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

I won't interrupt.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

We're taking this from the top.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

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SPEAKER_00 32:57

The chat grams or the snap the snapgrams?

SPEAKER_03 33:00

No, we're not on the snapgrams.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

What?

SPEAKER_01 33:02

You had a you had a question. I did. You wanted to start off act two with.

SPEAKER_00 33:06

I was gonna start off with a question. Yes, you have that question is what is that question?

SPEAKER_01 33:10

I'm just written on that piece of paper.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Who's on first? What's going on?

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Third base.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

Uh you got far. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

So Oh, so uh this movie uh that we watched, uh hello my name my name is Doris. Uh Doris is uh plagued, as it were, with a crush uh that kind of spirals uh where you know it's it's innocent at first. There's a little fantasy uh in her head, but then the Facebook opens that door and she uh learns more about him and it's it's she becomes like a junkie. She wants to know more about him, and then that leads to knowing where he's going to be, predicting. Uh and and so it actually does wonders by getting it out of uh getting her out of her comfort zone and getting her out and about as we talked about earlier. But also uh I wanted to ask, has um have you ever been more into someone than you should be? Have you ever had a moment where you're like, whoa, I am more involved in in your life than I should, whether it be romantic or not.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

Right. Um the first thing that comes to mind, yes, um, I have been more involved um in a like I guess my concern for a friend where they're less concerned about a situation than I am because I feel like I I feel like there's a lot more weight to it. Um and that let's say they're wrestling with a decision and I know that they're leaning one way, but it's so, so clearly the wrong way. And so you're like, okay, but like look over behind door B.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

You know? And or just look behind you. Look behind you. Don't go there, go look behind you. And then, you know, and then they ask. That's the thing that that drove me nuts about it. Is it's like you you already know what you want to do, and you're looking for the affirmation that that's what you should do, but you know that that's not what you're gonna get. And so it doesn't matter what I say, and I think that's how I got so involved is because I I it it became more of like a how can I save them from themselves. Save you from this.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

Okay, yep. Wow, for me it's just creepy. Like uh, so creep it up. Uh Facebook, I think the first the f I first got involved in Facebook. Thank God Facebook tells me, because I would have no freaking clue, but it was about 2009 or something. Yep. And uh that point I had uh met this guy who I thought was kind of cool, but I didn't know much about, and I was like, I don't want to like over get invested. Like, I don't want to be nosy and find out more because then you ask people, and then I just realized that's how I realized how terrible Facebook is because it lets you get away with stuff that you shouldn't, or you find out things.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

Cyber stalking.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

Yeah, well, I wouldn't necessarily talk as much as I would just like look at his picture and be like, he's cute. I shouldn't be looking at this at work. That's weird. This is overinvesting. I am not looking at him right now. And I was and he was super cute.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

And then the years have not done well for him.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Oh stop, he's great. You are too.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

I'd I'd be looking at pictures.

SPEAKER_03 36:58

That's what I was waiting for. I was waiting for it to end up John.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

Nope, it was totally John.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

Oh I I would also look at pictures of myself 11 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Um Except I don't do that now. You do that now. That's unhealthy.

SPEAKER_03 37:15

A quick comment on Facebook. Just a quick comment about that. Um, it's weird over time. Like in the beginning, I felt like, you know, people would be like, well, you could just stalk people and find out stuff. And I'm like, well, it's not really stalking, they're putting it out there for you to see. Yeah. But that's the weird magical thing about Facebook is that people post this stuff because they're thinking, oh, I want to share this with my friends. And before all of these privacy settings, anybody could see, and they didn't quite think that through. And so for if you weren't friends with this person and you were checking out their page and and finding out all this information that, you know, now you can actually block people from seeing, you were stocking.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

No, there are plenty of people who friend people on Facebook, uh, who they are, you know, casual friends with, uh, co-workers and so on and so forth, and and don't know how to set up their settings for super private or whatever. There's still a lot of that opportunity where you don't necessarily know how well you don't know everybody that well to know that they're the kind of person that could abuse that. But what makes me curious is that you have a generation updating myself again.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

Um here.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

Yeah. Uh that has always had access to information that you really probably shouldn't have.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

You know, there's there's a whole parenting process now behind this because you need that book. Well, there's there's a whole process behind it now because it's like uh when you're when you're still young and you know the way you behave with your friends, that's one thing, but then you behave that way on the internet. What I don't think clicked with people in the beginning, and I'm hoping, you know, for a generation that's young now, they realize it because they're being taught it, yeah, is the fact that the internet is forever. You're writing in a sharpie, you're not writing in pencil every time. Even if you delete it, it's not deleted, it can still be found.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Right. And you're every job you're ever gonna have, all your bosses are gonna look at your social media presence to find out the kind of person you really are. You can't just put on uh a nice uh uh outfit and you know do your hair and people go, Oh yeah, they're put together. And then, you know, you can see the kind of person that you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

The ragers that you have. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 39:47

Yeah, and uh that's a learning curve the last few the last decade or so has learned uh the the harsh way.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

Though though I to the same degree, I'm actually hoping that that is the cause of of of one of my biggest gripes, which is the statement boys will be boys.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

No.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

The idea that oh, okay, you're young and stupid, so you're allowed to be an idiot.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

No.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

Okay. Face Facebook, boys will be boys, whatever it is. I like the idea that whatever you do is just written in Sharpie. Yes. Your your life is written sharpie. Stop.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

Do you want this thing to follow you around your entire adult life?

SPEAKER_01 40:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

It would be nice to bring some accountability back.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Oh, sweet baby Jesus, yes. Brought to you by Sweet Baby Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

Which sadly has expired. Which then makes me think of Sweet Baby Rays, and I'm like, that one's a ribs.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Oh now, granted, I'm my fourth glass into this rum.

SPEAKER_03 40:50

Sweet fourth? I thought that was the third. By the way, the rum's gone.

SPEAKER_01 40:54

Nope.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

Why is the rum gone?

SPEAKER_01 40:56

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 40:57

Um, but it was So John, did you share uh the rum? I think I went off on a Facebook tirade.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

Well, we both did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

So what was the moment you realized you were more into somebody than you should be?

SPEAKER_01 41:09

Uh I I think it was a it was a similar situation to yours. Um, I was not cyber stalking who became my future wife. Um instead, um it was it was a a friend situation where they were having a uh a bad breakup. Um and uh uh they were trying to justify all the the the reasons to to find a way to try to make it work for a small amount of time, and I'm just like no stop. Uh and yeah, got got highly invested into a relationship that wasn't mine to be invested in. Right. You find yourself you find yourself on your own for a long period of time having psychoanalyzed how to uh address your friend and be like, okay, here's why X, Y, and Z. It's like, no, this is why I'm not even I'm not even in this. I missed lunch because of this. I'm not getting the sex out of this.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

What George has this fantastic like she's taking look on her face today. We call it just really like this this straight face, like I'm really not feeling anything in the moment, but uh or maybe she's bored, yeah, but that's just how a ree is just like looking around, like I was with Chuck Norris.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

So that movie from the never ending story took creepy.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

It was like I had this like this drop the pencils and know how many there were on the floor moment. Like I was like, oh yeah. Seven that movie that I basically only remember kind of the idea of the plot because they're related, not to Chuck Norris, but to having uh in in-depth daydreams that have plotted the thing. Then there is the picking up where you left off the last time you were daydreaming. I really did love that. There was a storyline to the daydream, so every time he went, he would be somewhere else in the plot, and he was we're getting to the end of the story.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

Um, and I I I I appreciate that. And so that's why I remember it. But then for whatever reason, when we were talking about it, and I'm like, how many Chuck Norris movies have I watched that I wouldn't even know?

SPEAKER_03 43:18

It's probably like the only Chuck Norris movie you can name, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:21

Yeah, and uh and I couldn't even name it, but then it was like the kid. Oh, it's the kid from Never Ending Story 2.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

How do I even that was probably that was honestly I don't remember watching that movie either.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

I don't remember the never ending story. One, two, and we learned three plus a television series.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

The more you know a couple in development or concept.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

Well, yeah, because guys, it's the never ending story.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

And we're bringing it back. If it's from the eighties, we're bringing it back.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

That's true. That has become a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

Well, yeah, because we're all old. It'll come back.

SPEAKER_00 43:57

It will. Give it time.

SPEAKER_03 43:59

Elf will be back. And I believe the show's on Hulu, by the way. I watched the pilot and I was like, wow.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

I don't think I could sit through it. And it would ruin the childhood experience. Experience. So don't do it. No.

SPEAKER_03 44:09

I tried it with the Kamish. It didn't work.

SPEAKER_00 44:11

But he was lying on the floor dead for a summer before we found out he wasn't dead.

SPEAKER_03 44:15

Yeah, we were really, really involved.

SPEAKER_00 44:17

Who's the one that blew up? That we were like, you killed Stan. Yeah, we couldn't, as children, we couldn't get over that. Plus, when you watch a when you watch a series as a family during pizza night, you get very emotionally infested. And there are certain things that maybe you shouldn't be watching while you eat pizza. Like one of the main characters blown up.

SPEAKER_04 44:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:36

But it is very we used to watch bones. Right, but that's because my mother is a forensic television junk junkie and she would always have it on around like the time we had had dinner. Like we didn't eat watching it because we had dinner in the kitchen.

SPEAKER_03 44:50

No, no.

SPEAKER_00 44:50

No, we forensic television.

SPEAKER_03 44:52

We did that. Oh, you Law and Order? Yeah. Yeah, you didn't do that.

SPEAKER_00 44:55

They will watch marathons, and then I could always tell when there was a marathon because she's like, I gotta park the car. I want to walk the dog.

SPEAKER_03 45:02

I gotta go take the dog for me.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

And I'm like, I don't remember the that Law and Order had like people with heavy New York accents.

SPEAKER_03 45:08

But you just feel like you live there.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

Yeah. And the next thing you know, my parents are from New York.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Which borough? Staten Island? Oh, look who I brought it back.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

No, they were from the island of Lenny Brisco.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Who wasn't? Oh. God bless you, too. I'd love to be from that island. I'd watch that man-eat cereal. Oh. So I gotta make my list. I'll make my list.

SPEAKER_03 45:34

Because I want to I wanna see that list. It's gonna be a very eclectic list. It really is. All right. Hello, my name is Doris. Uh Rotten Reviews. Uh these are some excerpts that we've uh uh discovered uh on Rotten Tomatoes that uh, well, we're gonna get some reactions on this. So this one is from a Saporta report in Atlanta. There's something badly off-kilter when a two-time Oscar winner turns up in a film so confused and worse so condescending, not only to Sally Field, but to all women in her age range, that you can't quite figure out how it got made, let alone why.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

One, why are you trying to group all women of that age into a different practice like the the the fact that this character is established as uh having taken care of her mother and having lost so much of her life doing such she she didn't get married uh because of this. Uh I I I don't think that this is a condescending film. I think this is a human film. I think that you're not a human to think of.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

Oh no. She just missed the point of the film. Or he did. I don't know who they are. They missed the point.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

This person.

SPEAKER_00 46:53

And this person did. And here here's the point. Um, some people get put in situations where they either have kids very young or they have to take f care of family, or they have responsibilities in which they miss out on being young and f having fun. And then later they end up going through that phase kind of out of sequence. They go back to school when they're older uh to finish uh that or they start partying once the kids are grown in in a way that m parents their age don't. And that's because they're they're living part of their life that they didn't get to live earlier, and I think we see that i in a way uh with Doris in this film, and that you are never too old to discover who you are and find out where you uh where you fit. And uh uh it seems like they were trying to be anti-agist and then just didn't at all. So I'm sorry for you. Next.

SPEAKER_03 47:55

Uh all right, National Post says the familiar the familiarity, the familiarity. Okay. The film The best part is uh even without this, I wouldn't be able to say this word. Familiarity? The familiarity of its humor would be easier to forgive if its narrative ambitions weren't equally recognizable. And go.

SPEAKER_00 48:25

I'm I'm sorry. What were they trying to say? I mean, I understand they were using words, but it seemed very like you could go into politics. I have said something, but I really haven't. Agree with me. That's all I got.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

All right.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

All right, cool.

SPEAKER_01 48:41

We greatly appreciate all of our listeners for choosing the podcast and for supporting independent films in general. Keep an ear out for our next episode uh to check out our show notes or just drop us a note. Visit us at imbibesinema.com. Once again, I am Jonathan C. Leggett, and thanks for imbibing with us. Cheers.