Introductions, Cocktail, And Housekeeping

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I'm Jonathan C. Leggett, and I'm here along with Trisha Leggett. And Michael Noins. And our special guest.

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Our special introduction guest, Mary Shields. Oh my gosh.

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That's a fantastic callback. That was perfect. That's exactly how John introduced you before. That's fantastic.

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How drunk was I? Sometimes I just get caught up on words. Words, words are words.

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And that's why you're on this podcast.

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To work through your issues.

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God bless you. Sweet. And we'll be we'll be sending around a contribution plate at the end of this episode.

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A collection plate. We'll be around for 10% of your income.

The Church’s Mistakes And A Missing One

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Um they called George Carlin's character the um uh Cardinal Glick out on because he says the church doesn't make mistakes, and they list off two mistakes.

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Two mistakes, but not the ones that we moved off.

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The mistakes they list off are the the church's silence during the slave trade and during the Holocaust.

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Yes.

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Like they just kind of went, no comment, and you know, we're not we don't we're not against it. Um and he goes, Okay, fine, we make mistakes we made mistakes. And and so all of us today are going, You there's a big one. There's a really big one that is not mentioned. Why? And uh there was an interview with uh Kevin Smith in which he said the thing he thinks dates this movie the most is that the absence of talking about uh the abuse of children in the church.

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Yes.

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And he says the movie came out in 1999. Yes, but he wrote the script in 1991 and the sex scandals broke afterwards. I love this about Kevin Smith. He made George Lucas into a verb, and so he said, if I were to George Lucas it, I would go back and add just that into the film. That's the only thing I would change. I would add that because it's glaring that it's not there when you list off the offenses the church had uh committed in the past against humanity.

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Side side note and point of order in that one is uh what what I find funnier uh about everything is George Lucas was a huge proponent against using Technicolor to digitally enhance films. He was like adamant, vehement, just you know, outspoken, you know, you can't do that, and then he starts having his own films and is all like, Well, I'm gonna start putting in a digital job of the hut to this one that was never there before, because it's like, well, okay, bro. So I understand why Kevin Smith used George Lucas as a

What “Dogma” Means In Real Life

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verb.

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Now, dogma uh is a principle, belief, or system of ideas that is accepted as unquestionably true without the need for proof. But I also feel that it uh it can apply to when you're saying somebody's dogmatic, it's really just it's so rigid that it does remind me of Star Wars because the followers, the passionate uh folk of Star Wars are this is the way it's supposed to be, and there is no other way it should be.

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It is canon, right? Don't mess with the Star Wars. Well, and I think Star Wars fans, I've never seen Star Wars, okay? Never.

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Oh my god, we might have a whole bunch of things. They do exist right here.

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Michael's like, we're having some interference by No, I will never I think I think there's a similarity with like the the Bible and all those like sub-stories and all the people you have to remember, like the apostles and all that. Isn't that a little Star Wars y? Like you gotta remember that like in this structure he's this way, and those people fight these people. I don't know.

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And all the different types of X-Wings and all the different types in the force, yes, there's actually a Jedi religion, I believe, acknowledged in the UK.

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Mary, quick question for you have you seen uh or read any of the Lord of the Rings?

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Come on, no, no, no, it's official, you're not a nerd. I think Harry Potter bridged the like, okay, the Lord of the Rings is not dorky anymore. I'm sorry. I'm just gonna say it. I don't know what happened, but it brought the sides together, and now it's okay. Yes.

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So so it like here's the reason for for for me saying that. So like Star Wars, I've I've obviously watched all the films, and I do think, Mary, we have a whole podcast here now, um, where we're just gonna get you on nine different podcasts.

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I've seen space balls, so I can I can participate in the vernacular.

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Like I get it, but I get it. I think it's funny because science fiction, fantasy, that kind of thing, it was uh subculture, right? And it has become pop culture. Yes, it has you know, um, and and hey, you know, maybe being relaxed and groovy like Jesus is a sub culture and it'll become pop culture eventually. I don't know. But you want to say something, yeah.

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Yeah, no, but specifically when it comes to the Lord of the Rings, I I there was a time in my life where I read The Hobbit pretty much every year that like I would read The Hobbit actively like that, because that's a self-contained single book and very good. Uh whereas The Lord of the Rings, I read it I think probably once, maybe twice in my entire lifetime. But the thing is, is it reads like the Bible to me in the sense that there are points where it's like, oh, Aragorn, son of Blairathorn, daughter to Claraflor, and ninth of Florin, and you're like who began, and you're like, why is this relevance stop? Like that that to me is you know where I was trying to eventually drive the points.

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And I I think I think Harry Potter, and I also think Game of Thrones. Yes. I think I'm sorry, I'm like Segwang, but I think Game of Thrones also brought that subculture up to mainstream, you know, and that's similar. Like these people, the Dothraki, the Virgo, I don't even know, but right?

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And it's nice that these things have brought us all together.

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Yes. I'm still stuck on who who did Aragorn chloroform? Yes.

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Does this smell like chloroform? See, and that then that leads me to um designing women. Because we had bearwith. Whoa! My sister and I had a plague in high school where we were so weak we couldn't even leave the couch and and we could not change the channel. We were so ill that we couldn't reach for the remote and change the station while the television was on, and that is something for a teenager. So we sat through a designing marathon, a designing women marathon, and by the end of the day, I knew the difference between Carlene, Charlene, and Darling, which is something I would not have known prior to. I

Movie Moments That Cut Deep

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love the beginning where uh um Loki, Matt Damon's character, talks this poor nun out of religion by using Alice in Wonderland, the walrus and the carpenter.

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Yes.

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And the walrus and the carpenter being the eastern and western religions. Yes. And by the end of it, you're like, oh my God. Um, but that to me is a very personal view on how you see religion. Um, and then Christ himself, it's Rufus' quote, he really hates the shit carried out in his name. Wars, bigotry, televangelism.

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Yep.

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And to me, like, yeah, all the big problems we have with uh attaching the name of Christ, something hateful.

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Yeah.

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Um and then uh and then women, because serendipity has this whole thing where she talks about how women, uh her quote was women are painted as bigger antagonists than the Egyptians and the Romans combined.

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Yes. Who talked Adam into eating the apple?

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Who it was a woman that uh uh called for the head of John the Baptist.

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It was a woman that cut off Samson's hair.

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Right. And um, yeah, women are villain villainized uh quite a bit in the Bible, and all the women, and this is my conspiracy theory for a woman who hasn't read the Bible from cover to cover. Um and hey, that is a Catholic thing. We don't we're told not to.

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I mean, recently we could misinterpret it.

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Yes. Traditionally we're told not to read, we misinterpret it. Don't read it, don't read it. But women can read it. Spoilers, it was interesting how all these all these men have these unique names, like um Jebediah. So it's really rare that we have uh duplicates on names. Yes, but Mary, oh my god, everyone, everyone is named Mary. How do we keep all the Mary's straight? There are too many Marys. They like couldn't name anyone. Oh, Ruth, thank goodness.

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And Anne. But that's it. And you know, Martha, that lazy bitch, or am I the lazy bitch in that smoothie? I don't remember. One of us is a lazy bitch that just wants to sit and listen.

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Uh, but I do think to me, the faith in the water glass are really connected to that visual. I also love that in the movie.

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What was the faith in the water glass visual? Oh. You you say it and then you leave our listeners.

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They should have watched the movie.

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They should have watched the movie.

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But here's what I thought was really interesting. If you look at the movie as a whole, you have women and their voice being used to be villainous in the Bible. They talk about black Jesus and people's uncomfortable reaction to that. And they they talk about she's she works at an abortion clinic. Uh her co-worker and friend is a Jewish lesbian. And then the 13th Apossible, she's that's the one person with her that she actually takes counsel from. Like she really listens to him.

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The only thing I would add, the idea of they address like killing in the name of the of the Lord, like whether that's right or wrong.

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Because that's that's Loki's inner turmoil, right? Yes.

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Yeah, like you know, to that kind of thing. No, my notes are not like Trish's notes. My notes are like Ken doll junk. Oh, yes.

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Yes, that's a great reference.

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That's not appropriate. That's not appropriate. I have irrational fear of gangs of marauding youth as an old lady, which I have an irrational fear. Yeah. I'm like, what are those kids? What are they doing? They're cheap. Why are they gangs?

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I don't know about that.

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There's a part, I can't remember if it's an announcement at the hospital, which I I really liked. It was like, this is not a drill, this is the apocalypse.

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Yes, yes. Trisha and I laughed real hard at that. Uh yeah, because everybody is not filing out in a in a orderly fashion. They are they are throwing everything over, and but yeah, it's the fact that there's an announcement. It sounds like it is an automated announcement. This is this is the apocalypse. It's like, wait, what?

SPEAKER_00 11:53

Okay, so Michael, you said you just re-watched the movie.

Rewatch Details Hidden In Background

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Yeah, yeah. Like so did I. Did you notice the part in the beginning? No, it was like it was it's a callback to when um Matt Damon's talking to the nun, and then later you see her going crazy, like a shit in the airport with the beer. Do you remember? Did you see that, Michael? No, I didn't catch that.

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Because the like the waitress is trying to calm her down. So they're on the they're on the the people mover. So it's uh as they are deciding that they're going to be. So if you look, the nun is holding a beer, like walking in the background, like losing her shit, and the waitress is like trying to talk her down.

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Oh my god, no, I totally missed that. Now I want to go back and watch it.

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It's it's it's while while uh Loki and Bartleby are on on the people mover. Uh the nun is in the background losing her shit with a beer in her hand, and the waitress uh waitress is trying to calm her down. Um it is it is something that is happening in the back so much is happening in the

Bible Verses, Power, And Who Gets Equality

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background.

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But okay, the only thing I gotta rewatch and I don't know if Kevin Smith did this purposely, but they don't quote the Bible at all in this movie.

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And that's very capital.

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They do talk about Peter and the rock. And uh I I really think if I were uh if I were a theological lawyer. They make lawyers who are if I were if that job existed. And I took it to the court. And I took it to court. I'm taking theology than court. It would be the verse uh is from uh Matthew 16, 19, and it it's uh I will give you the keys of the kingdom to heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. And I've heard it said more like whatever you uh create or whatever you command or whatever you honor on earth, we will honor in heaven. Pretty much to me, this is a a statement that pretty much gives the Catholic Church the right to change, to adapt, to make new law. So it is no excuse to go, well, I'm sorry, women can't be involved as equals because no, you can change. It was in the contract at the very beginning that you can do this and you use it all the time to excuse crap you've done. Right. Like, oh, you can pay your way into heaven.

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Yeah.

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Uh and uh and the church will I mean God will honor that because we, the church, said this is a good heaven pass.

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Well, I mean, there's so many loopholes, but there's not a loophole for women, right? Right.

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And then I mean you look at uh uh other religions as well, women uh across the board are not treated as equals in uh any religion, at least originally.

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Not not ones that are relaxed and groovy or what one would say progressive?

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Yes. No, not all, not hashtag not all religions. No, uh, I did it now. You've got me hashtag it. Yes. We need to go into counseling.

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About hashtags? About hashtags.

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I do have one other thing, and it's about Alan Rickman.

Alan Rickman Stories From Set

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Oh, god, it looks like truly a saint. Um so it was that he he was a big fan of chasing Amy and uh they found this out and they were like, well, we're gonna give him the script and see if and he was like, his questions were like uh his two questions uh in order to accept the role were one, um, is are we sticking to the script? Is this the script? And two, are the are the wings gonna be real or holographic? You know, are they gonna be CGI wings or are they real physical wings? And uh, but then there are all these quotes about Alan afterwards that um that Kevin Kevin Smith uh had. He goes, Jason Mews, uh what is he he just like a diehard fanatic. Yes, and he just wanted to talk to Alan Rickman all about he called him diehard, hey diehard, he's like, he has a name, it's Alan. Oh stop calling him that. And Kevin Smith was just kind of really concerned that Alan Rickman would be offended or just annoyed. And so he catches Jason talking to Alan at one point, and uh he comes up afterwards and he's like, Hey, you know, if he's bothering you, I can keep him away. And Alan Rickman's response with it was Jason Mews is the best America can be. He is an American icon. Yes. And afterwards, every time they had an argument, Jason would be like, but which one of us is an icon? And then and then there was a point where Kevin gave uh Alan a um a line reading? A line reading. Oh, you said.

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I totally know this one. Yeah, yeah.

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Because Alan Rickman had not seen the karate kid. Yep. So he didn't understand wax on, wax off, right? So Kevin commits the sin of all directors and he gives him a line reading. He's like, this is how the line is said because it's from this other movie, and this is how they say it.

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And because Alan Rickman was just thinking it was. Waxed on, waxed off. It was it was original.

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He was approaching it that way that way, right? And it's like, no, it's wax on and wax off, and this is how it's, you know, and you do the hand movement, and uh and Alan Rickson's response is royally trained, Kevin. Like, don't get in my lane. And then afterwards, when you watch it done, he's still, it's like it's almost to be or not to be.

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It is beautiful him saying it.

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Oh, did did anyone else notice at the end when like the outside of the church had been all like shot to hell? Yeah that the Catholicism wow sign just said Catholicism ow? Oh no, no, it's not.

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That's fantastic.

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Maybe it was like a totally random thing. I thought that was pretty cool, actually. I don't know why. I just and also, did anyone else notice that Kevin Smith did the whole love actually airport scene before Love Actually actually did that scene where like everyone's like at the airport and they're like crazy.

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The best part of humanity. Uh yes, comedy.

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Three times before uh he came back. Or she well, before she came back.

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But it doesn't matter because they're just relieved to be together right now. What an interesting double feature.

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And the dogma and then love actually.

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Well, and both of them have age. No, you make it a triple feature, and you make it uh the triple feature is it's dogma, love actually, and then diehard, because then at the end of diehard, he pays for what he did to Emma Watson.

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Right? It's an ex- it's a it's a weird shree shades of Ellen Rickman.

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Three shades of Ellen Rickman.

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But yeah, I did not notice the Catholicism out, but that is hilarious. I love that.

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It's pretty funny. It's pretty funny, but yeah, and I like when George Carlin is like, the church, the Catholic Church hat we we want to make people feel like the Catholic Church has panache and hook them while they're young, and I'm like, oh god.

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Uh no I don't know. That's not yeah.

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Like the cigarette industry, if only we had their numbers.

Ideas Vs Beliefs And Angel Grievances

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But to me, the idea that uh is the moral of the story or whatnot in this film, it comes down to Rufus. Uh, and uh he he's talking about what Jesus said. He said, Humanity took a good idea and like always built a belief structure on it. And she says, having beliefs isn't good, and he says, I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Yep. And I think that's that is kind of the underlying critique on religion.

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Well, yeah, and like where he's talking about nobody, nobody's really gotten it right.

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Yes.

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Like religion, all these groups, these groups, nobody has gotten it 100% right. Um, and how that ties back to the end of like I have an idea.

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Right? Well, and then and then uh that reminds me of Eddie Izzard where he talks about how like he's uh when he did uh James Mason is God and talking to Jesus, and and Jesus is like, I went down what? I went down there, I told them to be all relaxed and groovy, and they split up into different groups, and I don't know what to do.

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When Bartleby was talking about how he was all pissed that like God was so understanding and forgiving of humans, but like so hard on angels, right? Or something like that. And I and I I don't know, I really felt that. Like I felt like Bartleby, like like I don't know, like I feel like sometimes I think firstborn children identified with that.

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Like, yes, and then when it came to the baby, you were all like, that's okay, do what you want, where I was told that was not acceptable.

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Yeah, and and to be perfectly honest, that is old testament versus new testament.

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Yeah, I think the apostles were just like a colossal pain in the ass. Can I just like I realized I don't know all their names?

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And I don't think we you know You don't think you need to.

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There's John the Big, John the Small, Simon Simon, Peter, Ringo, Paul.

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You had me until Ringo. But doesn't JD Salinger say something in one of his books like Jesus needed those apostles, like he needed a giant hole in his head?

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Yes.

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Especially Peter. And I think it's funny because I have a child named Peter. And whenever we like meet people, a pre we've met priests like at different parishes, and I'm like, yeah, this is Peter. I mean, because he kind of screws up, you know, like but he'll bring it, but he brings it around in the end, and he's a pretty good guy. But let's just be honest.

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I guess it's good you didn't have a a a second son named Thomas. All right. So you got uh he just doubts everything we say.

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He doesn't trust me.

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Peter, Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, James, son of Aphaeus, Thaddeus, Simon, and Judith. And Simon, Simon, and Jim.

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It sounds like a law firm. Yeah, like the law firm of Simon, Simon, and Jude.

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Have you been hurt in Iraq? Sorry.

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We don't get anything if you don't win. This

Catholic “Hinky” Feelings And Culture Signals

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is the thing. Like, are there are there times, Chrisha, like as a Catholic, when you start getting like hinky about certain things, like when people start quoting the Bible and you're like, I can't even give you a verse. Here's what I got. I have these shoes.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Yeah. They're gym shoes, they're um sketchers. Um, I find that because I have small feet, I have been blessed to be able to afford sketchers. It's coming.

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I can't wait to see where this plane is landing.

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No, I can I can afford to buy my shoes in the kids section. And because of that, it really does show how mature I am because it's shopping in the kids section. I do there's a wide variety of fun stuff that that would not be available for the adults. And uh one of them are these uh uh gym shoes that are black and they have a rainbow across the the top of them. And I love them, they're very comfortable, and they're pretty. And I get a lot of comments at church if I have them on. I will always have somebody go, I really like your shoes. And here's where I go, huh. Because I'm like, is this a rainbow pride or is this a rainbow Jesus after the flood? Or is this both? Was this a rainbow comment that is specific? What are we saying? I know rainbows are good across the board, but are you trying to pass a message to me and I don't know what it is?

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What is what is a rainbow Jesus after the flood?

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Did I say Jesus?

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Yes, you said rainbow Jesus after the flood. And and now I'm starting to really question how much alcohol I have had because I'm not even the one saying this anymore. Rainbow had rainbow Jesus after.

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Yeah, but that's how we became friends. I complimented your boots. Oh a very expensive pair of boots, I believe that John got you as a gift. Yes.

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Oh, look at that.

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340th.

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Yeah.

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Okay. If I remember correctly.

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Yes.

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Okay, we'll be right back. So that's I yeah, I get I get hinky with like Bible quoting. The other thing I get hinky about is when people say, Oh, we're gonna stay after church and have donuts and fellowship. What does that mean?

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Are we gonna- My axe of the ring?

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See if there are a ring.

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I brought it back.

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Um trying to be friendly and then make it not creepy.

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Yeah, you say the word fellowship and you have thus crept.

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So the other thing, hinky, um, it's uh when people have something biblical on their back of their vehicle.

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It's a child, not a choice, Trisha. And a woman is a vessel, not a human. Yes. So let's keep Christ and Christmas. Yes. Oh my god. There is a store when I was growing up, the store where you'd go for like all your Catholic merch, you know, like it's a gift shop. It was called the Village Dove. That's what it was called. And we'd go, and my mom would be like, Well, let's go to the village dove get some more figurines for our nativity set because they have to be to scale. I don't even know if that store exists.

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Maybe it's just it still exists.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

We did not talk about Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, and we also didn't talk about like I thought Salma Hayek was kind of a fantastic interesting. Yeah, like she did a really um She's a strong woman. Yes. She was able to like be a stripper, but like not be a stripper. Like, I don't know, like she really pulled off that whole scene really well. Yeah, she did.

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Okay, Michael, did you want to poke the bear real fast?

Reviews, What Works, And Farewell

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Yeah, let's and then Sure.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

Let's take a look at some reviews, some negative reviews from the movie. So we take a look at Rotten Tomatoes and the dogma has a 72% on the tomato meter, which is the critics, and an 85% on the popcorn meter, which is, of course, the audience. So uh, first one the movie is a failure, but an honest one says North Shore movies.

SPEAKER_04 26:37

I I I don't understand what they mean by a failure. An honest one? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

Where it's like we feel the same way about Catholicism, but it wasn't a good movie.

SPEAKER_04 26:46

Like, I don't know. Catholicism. A failure.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

Well positive one. I just thought it was interesting. All right. Um Globe and Mail says uh a fresh premise gradually turns stale, and jokes that start out lively end up pooped.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

I don't know. I think it was a very complicated plot for a comedy. I think they put a lot of effort in research and and actual uh canon and dogma. Yes, I think it it was funny because one of the reasons it was funny was because it was something that nobody ever like it's rare to make fun of it in a way that everybody's like, oh, I get that. Like nonsense was revolutionary in 1985. Right. So you're making fun of nuns. And then Sister Act came out and it was like not original anymore because Sister Act. So um, but yeah, but in a like uh it's it's ripping or mocking, but in a playful, like in a I it comes from a place I think of love. Yes, and knowing, absolutely and not not condescension, but more of a hey, let's be real about this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

I think Trisha, you nailed it with what you just said. Like, I as a Catholic, at no point was I even remotely offended. Isn't that weird? Like, no, no alarm bell or weird, like, hey, that never happened. Never happened. I knew it was all in good fun, uh, but I mean I am emotionally mature, you know.

SPEAKER_04 28:17

All right. We greatly appreciate all of our listeners for choosing this podcast, supporting independent films and the Blue Whiskey Independent Film Festival. I'm Jonathan C. Leggett, and thanks for imbibing with us. Cheers.