Cold Open And Scarlet Heart

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It's gonna be legend. Wait for it. Wait for it. I hope you're not lactose intolerant, because the next word is dairy. Greetings andor salutations and welcome to Imbibe Cinema. I'm your host, Jonathan C. Legit, and along with Trisha Leggett, Michael Nowans. In this episode, we're going to be discussing Hearts Beat Loud while imbibing the Scarlet Heart, which you will be able to find on our webpage. Though I will state that uh maybe it was the bourbon we used or or the maraschino liqueur, but this isn't very scarlet. It's delicious. I mean, it's got, you know, Costco bourbon and chocolate wine, so hello. It's a very sweet drink. Um, but yeah, it's not red, so I apologize. How dare you? I know. I have failed you all.

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It doesn't look like a very healthy heart.

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Yeah, it's it's got some uh clogged arteries and shit.

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It looks like a three-pack a day smoker.

Sponsor And Film Overview

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Uh the Imbibe Cinema podcast is brought to you by the Blue Whiskey Independent Film Festival, otherwise known as Buiff. To learn more, please visit us at Bwiff.com. Once again, that is BWIFF.com. You know, um so Hearts Beat Loud. I I really enjoy this independent film, and I know that it was on uh the top of Michael's list. So um now I I know that this is a uh father-daughter, not a band band film, uh so I think that it's only logical that we kind of discuss uh the music and the score as well as the story to really start off this. This was uh a Brett Haley uh film who had uh worked with Nick Offerman previously on um The Hero. He he seems to be somebody who's who's kind of uh coming to the foreground here of the independent scene, you know, making these films and getting some some really good names with Nick Offerman coming back for a second helping. Uh he must be, you know, pretty nice to work with here.

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Aaron Ross Powell I mean, I haven't seen a ton of Nick Offerman films or TV shows, I should say.

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Okay.

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When I think of Nick Offerman as an actor, I think, you know, dry comedy, but the drama behind it was fantastic. And I thought his performance was fantastic. So much is done in this film that is without words through music, obviously.

Why Music Drives The Story

SPEAKER_02 2:33

But um there are, you mean there are some beautiful scenes with this synth score that uh that Keegan did. I th I thought was beautiful. It was like it's said more than than any lines that could have could have been said in that movie.

SPEAKER_04 2:47

It is amazing how much of the film was was driven uh through not the silence per se, but w without actual dialogue, um, what Keegan was able to do uh through the music. Not only in the in the the original songs that that uh both uh Nick Offerman and Kiersey Clemens sing together as that father, uh, daughter, we're not a band band, um, but just everything. Yeah, that is a perfect game. Yeah. It's like the uh the uh uh band from TV, and it's it's a pun on the fact that they are a band and everybody on that band was from TV. Because house. Hugh Laurie was uh the piano player. Oh.

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Oh, cool.

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So that was like a standard oh cool, whatever. I'm gonna go ahead and say whatever I want to say.

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Hey, hey, I can go back to drinking. It's fine. You guys talk, I'll drink. What do you mean go back to drinking?

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Yeah, I don't think any of us have stopped.

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Well, anyways, um let me get back to dismissing you and talking.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

At least she's honest.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

No, one of the things that I find really impressive and and kind of terrifying about films like these where they rely so heavily on the music, like um the once I think. Oh, yeah, once where so much of the story is about the love of music and is told through that, and that you have to like have songs that not only help tell the story on a new layer, all right, but in addition to that, they have to be like songs that you're like, oh, that's a good song. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's a lot of pressure.

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Yeah.

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Right? It's it's like a bridge between a film and a musical in a way that is just very hard to get right. And uh yeah, that sounds terrifying to even try to do. And they did such an amazing job.

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Yeah, identical to, I mean, you might as well count it as a musical in the sense that just like a musical, you do need to have a catchy song that that you know still grabs the and the voice talent.

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Oh my god.

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Yeah.

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Fantastic.

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Yeah. Kiercy Clemens has a uh has a set of pipes. And actually I have seen a number of things for Nick Offerman. Um I have I've seen him be goofy, uh, but still you're you're right. I'm a goofy dry. But I know he is an accomplished uh a craftsman. Uh he's got an entire show uh, you know, where he he you know builds things with his own hands.

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Aaron Ross Powell If you look him up anywhere online, like his job titles, actor, whatever, this and that. And but carpenter, very bull. Like this is something that's very important. He's a carpenter. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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Though he is also apparently an accomplished musician because he was playing drums and guitar.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

And they did play live during takes, like uh they did with Blay Mazarat did live when they do. So that kind of thing uh I think does make a difference on what you see on screen when they're actually singing. And then you wonder how did people like just lip sync? That's kind of weird. The thing that we would always have been done the other way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:47

Uh but I think that depends on what all is going on, because I can only imagine if you're there's a dance number, it's probably yeah, it's really difficult to keep, you know, your air.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

Luckily, no dance numbers. Your comment about, you know, music driving the story and how terrifying that must be with like a musical. People that don't like musicals. Like one of the common complaints I hear from people I talk to who are like, oh, I didn't see that because it's musical and I hate musicals. And then I ask why. And they say, well, it's like, you know, there's a story, and then all of a sudden we gotta stop and sing about a particular moment for five minutes, and I want to take a nap and then move on. And I'm like, uh okay, that's your opinion. But you've been watching the wrong musicals. Perhaps. But with this, it was it was interesting because I mean, I don't want to rush right to the end, but it this whole movie builds up to a show, and you watch that show almost in real time. I don't know if you'd call that the actual climax, but to me, that was the the big moment as I was watching. I was like, oh, are we gonna just kind of like show like the the highlights of the show?

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Them starting their show and then go to that next. Yeah.

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It's like it's like the concert is the payoff of of the movie, and and there's so much about what is going on with them internally, um, and their relationship and their family and Frank Fisher and his uh his store.

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Yep.

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Uh so much of that in the music. Yeah. You know, it's like that the the emotion is buried in that music, and this is how I mean it's like a way of communicating.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

Yeah. And that's actually what makes it so beautiful is even as they're writing these, you know, I I do especially like that as a uh you know uh a band, each of them kind of is writing their own songs. There's there's not like you know one person who's who's kind of taking the lead on that. And and it it shows that the relationship that you know he and his daughter have, where they do these jam sessions where they they just kind of you know pull out a couple instruments and and play together to to really bond as a family.

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Right, that it's a special language that they have that it jam time is is their their time to m be able to talk to each other artist to artist and uh or human being to human being instead of uh the father-daughter relationship, which then reminds me of how I've been talking about this movie Mother earlier, where uh Albert Brooks at the end of the film is like we can talk to each other at like writers, like one bitter and and uh uh oppressed, and one, and I don't remember the line, but it's just like really negative stuff. But but we can bond on this. Yeah, and it's and his mother's like, whatever you need, dear. Oh, Debbie Reynolds. But the fact that you can communicate on that line and it gives you a special bond outside of your connection as family.

SPEAKER_04 8:43

Yeah. And I I mean, you you can see very early on that that he knows that his daughter has an amazing amount of talent and that, you know, he's he's always just been trying to show her uh, you know, let let her believe in herself for the talent that she's got. And so now I know he's he's got some selfish, nefarious purposes uh, you know, uh of his own, uh, because he just he's not happy with everything that's going on in his life, and he wants to start a band like he originally had wanted to do before he fell in love and had a kid and had to, you know, own a shop, and his mother started, you know, going off the wall and shoplifting and getting arrested, and his his daughter's about to uh you know go off to college. Um so his you know, his his life is kind of falling apart around him, and so he's got this childlike glee uh to to bring this band to light. Um, and he's literally doing he's giving himself uh all of himself into this to have it happen. Um but it it is uh amazing how well the music uh really helps drive all those uh emotional silence moments um and really keep the plot moving. The the writing uh of the script, um, so it it was it was Brett Haley, uh who is also the director, and and Mark Bash. And uh what's interesting is uh all uh four scripts that Mark Bash has on IMDB were also co-written by Brett Haley. So they obviously have found uh you know this this really cohesive relationship between the two of them where the uh they're you know either getting sounding boards or whatever. But um you know, I mean you look at uh what what's going on with Brett, and uh obviously Mark has really been helping uh move that along for them.

SPEAKER_02 10:28

Well, and to add another layer onto that, I was reading uh an interview with um with Keegan, how he has this relationship already with Brett as well. And so the background of where this all came from, that's the the mit the title song, uh Hearts Beat Loud, that was a song that Keegan had already written and is a singer-songwriter. And uh Brett had heard it, and uh out of that song is what where this movie kind of came from.

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Beautiful.

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Yeah. And uh and I think that's why I I would assume that's why the the movie is is after that song rather than you know, you almost feel like you know, the other song, Everything Must Go, yeah, is almost like, oh, well, that would be a like an obvious title for this. Um, however, it's already a movie starring Will Farrell, which we should have on our list, by the way. Oh it's a drama starring Will Farrell. Well that I'm very interested in.

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Yeah, I'm very interested.

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But there are two songs um that I believe I believe these were the only two songs that were written for the movie, uh, the song Blink and Everything Must Go. Those two songs were for the movie. Everything must go.

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Listening to the radio like you do in the car. There are some songs that are so good about giving you like an instant visual of like you see the whole story of what the song is about, and then later you find out that's not at all what the everybody else, but you're like, no, no, that's what the song's about in your head that you have this whole story that goes with it, and that you somebody listened to a song and was like, I have a whole movie for this song. That's pretty impressive. I think that's awesome.

The Opening Hook That Works

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I wanted to talk a little bit about the the very first scene of the movie. Uh, and I think I've done this actually with the last two podcasts unintentionally, but um, I'm starting to figure out like things that I really care about in movies that I didn't realize that matter so much to me. And it's the hook. Yeah, it's the initial hook. And for me with this movie, what I love so much about the first 60 seconds of this movie is it sets up so much. Oh, and it's so it's it does it with humor, very dry, fantastic neck. But I love he's you know, he's got the headset on, and you just hear that, you know, uh somebody's like talking to him and he's just like, whatever. You just lit up a cigarette, takes the headphones off, and he's like, You can't smoke in here. And at this point, as a viewer, it's like, we don't know, is this his store? Is he just an employee here? So is he, you know, is he about to get in trouble? And his response, I think, is something to the effect of like, buy something and I'll put it out. Yeah, exactly. He just leaves and then comes back and says, Hey, I just bought what I would have bought here on Amazon for much cheaper. And I don't know if he has any response, but he's just like, Yeah, whatever. He points to the headbone's like, I can't hear you. That was it. That was it. And uh that sets up this whole idea that, oh, this little boutique, you know, record shop, which are very rare to come by. Yes, they are. He's in trouble. Yeah. That's what it's setting up.

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It was his only customer.

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And that's 60 seconds. Yep. That was the hook for me.

SPEAKER_04 13:44

Yeah, no, i i it is uh uh very convenient, I would say, that actually the uh our our last three, and technically our first three, um, podcasts have all had uh, you know, a very solid hook right off the bat. Um now, granted, we we tend to be you know film lovers, we're not film critics per se. I would say we're more reviewers.

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Nerds.

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Nerds.

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They always say when you're pitching a story that, you know, like the 30-second pitch and you gotta grab their attention beyond just as a screenwriter, because as an average moviegoer, you don't think about that. If you've bought a ticket for a movie and you go see it, you're not that exactly you're gonna stay unless it's that terrible, apparently, and then you walk out, which I've only done once. Two. Yeah. Well well I want to know what movie. But uh but uh in a streaming world, I feel the viewer is actually much more conscious of that.

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And in control.

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Yeah. They go, you know, all right, you know, whatever their time limit is, 30 seconds, a minute, five minutes, give me a reason to continue watching. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

And that's interesting because you look at all the shows that are out there streaming and uh that have like a very slow first season where you're like, well, how did this even get past this point? Like I know that you had said uh Breaking Bad was one of those kind of shows.

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Season one was very difficult to get into and through, but as soon as you were through season one, um, but not to TV from me.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

Yeah, that's deviated from the film we're talking about. I think Hearts Beat Loud is a lot like Game of Thrones. Go ahead and see all the there is all that violence.

SPEAKER_04 15:25

We're talking primarily about film, but when it does come to like these uh streaming uh shows specifically, like almost every show has such an immense cliffhanger at the end of the episode just to cause you to need to click next rather than be like, okay, I can you know wait.

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A testament to how brilliantly that can be done is um what's the British uh television show that Down Abbey? Yes.

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Oh dear.

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Guys, they make other television shows. Pigeonhole them in all into Down Nabbey. Yeah.

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I could have said Sherlock, but you could have.

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You could have said uh Down Doctor Who, yeah. But you knew instinctively how do you make a giant cliffhanger intense drama out of like biscuits and they do it, and you're like, damn, I need to see this next episode because what if the dinner party doesn't go right?

Score Themes And Familiar Motifs

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As far as music goes, I got the soundtrack and I'm I listened to it, and I love the score bits other than the the actual songs. Um and I love how they're they're complement one another. They're all part of like the same family, if you will. And so you could hear a clip, I feel, of the score and go, oh, that sounds a lot like this song from the movie. And anyway, so I I I loved that.

SPEAKER_04 16:45

Is that specifically the chord progression, or d is it probably is where they just you know are pulling snippets out of something like if you think about Star Wars, and I I know uh what we're surprised that it took us three uh podcasts to start getting into like Star Wars and Gape of Thrones, apparently. Um but uh John Williams in general. John Williams in general. But again, like you you you look at even just the more recent films and uh it's got its own music because it's got the Ray theme and you know the the Finn theme, but periodically they'll throw in like the Leia theme or the Luke theme or the Han theme, and you you you hear it and immediately there's that sense of warmth almost to it because you you recognize that theme, even if even if they just put that like just the three chords in there, you know immediately what what it's trying to convey out of it. Right. Whether it's the chord progression or there's just a snippet of Heart's Beat Loud that is like that melody brought into another song, you know, i it can bring up that response from you.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

And that was a question, right? You were asking. Yes. Michael?

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Do you know?

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Yes. Or sure. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

But as you were saying, Positively, maybe no. The same thing. Same thing when uh we watched Mary Poppins Returns, they did the score, did such a great job of putting the original in it and so many places that you got that oh so yeah. Now now I want to listen to the the score of loud again.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

Yeah, it's great.

Spotify Upload And Selfishness

SPEAKER_02 18:12

How did you feel about when he took the song and uploaded it to Spotify without talking to her? Did you feel that that was like a betrayal in any sense?

SPEAKER_04 18:24

Um I I guess uh you you could say that given that it was her intellectual property uh uh to a degree. That I mean, that was her poem that she you know wrote into a uh thing.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

But uh I think they did create it together. I mean he was a part of that process.

SPEAKER_04 18:41

He was he was a full part of it. It was a jam session, and and I think he was so proud of it. And like I said, I mean to a degree, uh up until pretty much the very end of the film, he makes his intentions very clear that he's he there is a lot of greediness to you know uh self-interest in in his actions. Uh he is trying to reconnect to you know his happiness because he's not happy right now. And and it's it's incredibly sad. He's chasing a dream that he he can't he can't physically cannot chase that dream anymore. His there's way too many people who depend on him. He realizes he's being selfish with it.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

But financially, like the investment he makes in all this recording stuff that he can't afford.

SPEAKER_04 19:33

No, exactly.

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He's being very selfish.

SPEAKER_01 19:35

One of the things that I love about the uh the arc of the film is she's the grown-up, he's the kid from the beginning. And then that climax you talk about, the concert in the store, basically, the their little uh show in the store, uh at the very end of it, she's the kid and he has to be the adult. And and it you noticed in that moment, it's like, is he gonna step up to the bat? The moment she becomes the kid, is he gonna be the adult? And he he is in that moment, and it's it's beautiful. I mean, to me, that's that's the the that's the climax, is when he has to be an adult. In the entire film, he's been the kid, she's been the adult. And here's and he was just waiting for her to be, I think, become the kid again, and then he would be the adult. But he didn't want to.

SPEAKER_04 20:17

See, I actually I don't see anything about him wanting that. I just see him realizing in that moment that he can't continue to be selfish.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Or the kid in the relationship. She was the responsible one and he was the child.

Refill Break And Subscribe

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Uh we're gonna take a few moments here to fill our glasses, but uh get ready to imbibe more after this. The Blue Whiskey Independent Film Festival exhibits short and feature-length motion pictures that utilize story elements in a new and exciting way. Our official selections are a carefully assembled blend of imaginative, sophisticated, and full-bodied stories. This is what our name represents. With audiences expect to experience character-driven, independent cinema that is fueled by the filmmakers' passion for the art of visual storytelling. Filmmakers can expect an intimate festival experience where their personal story is valued as much as the one projected on the big screen. You're listening to Imbibe Cinema. I'm Jonathan C. Leggett, and uh I am here once again with Michael Nowens and Trisha Leggett. Uh, and we have been discussing uh the independent film Hearts Beat Loud. Uh, do you like this episode? Please subscribe or follow us on all your favorite podcast providers to get the new episodes as soon as they become available. Rate and leave us a review to help uh our show reach uh all of your friends uh or your enemies. Uh, you know, so we we were talking primarily about the score and the music. music and and uh story and then I know while I was filling up my glass uh it did sound like we had a couple of story ideas that we really wanted to get back to. So uh let's hit that before we get into the casting crew because I think it'll so move a quick recap of what we were talking about when we weren't recording. Last time on Inbibe Cinema.

Grief Revealed With Quiet Images

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Or during the break. We were talking about how, you know, there are a lot of stories where uh you have a child going off to college or an a parent-child relationship that's older where you show a sequence of flashbacks where you see them having these bonding moments as the child is little and getting older to where they are now and this film does not have that and it did not need that no at all. In fact there was so little I mean I mean first of all their chemistry their bond on screen uh the father-daughter connection is beautiful it's so fascinating to watch yeah it brings you in and you were just hooked now the his history of their family and where mom is is not stated right away and we talk about how it's like wow how long was it in the film where we still didn't know what happened like did she leave? Did she die? What happened to mom? We don't talk about it and as a viewer you're just trying to figure like what what's going on? And they they let it how it's like 30 minutes in how long before we figured it out?

SPEAKER_04 23:26

I don't remember but it it it's probably even longer than that I've it's well into the movie.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

Yeah it's well into the movie and and then earlier when I was talking about how they convey so much without words what I love is this the scene where he's walking along the street and he walks up alongside this this white bicycle and he looks down then we see um Danielle and a date Fisher and a date and you go oh and and then he pulls he's got like the I think his note his notebook in his pants and he pulls that out and then sits down on the curb and it's just like I'm just you know I'm gonna sit here you know go through some music and sit here with my wife. It's beautiful and sad at the same time.

SPEAKER_04 24:13

It's heartbreaking specifically you know what we were we were discussing about they don't need to show uh their relationship they don't need to show flashbacks uh so many times uh in films I think I think most people who are watching films are just smarter than needing to be f spoon fed all of the information like we we we like to solve a little bit of a puzzle or or or or see a glimpse of something and go, oh my gosh, that's what you know this has always been. I I think that that a lot of filmmakers, you know, and I'm I'm I'm very happy that Brett manages to pull this off is he's not spoon feeding us all of this exposition. He's he's letting it come out naturally as as the film progresses and letting us you know kind of share these moments with these people as we're also understanding and realizing things is nice.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

Yeah and it's that constantly throughout the film questioning whether or not you missed something um because they refer to something that you don't know and you're like wait a minute what did I miss something? And then no no you're gonna find out about it. Yeah. And that curiosity is what keeps you engaged.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

I think the uh the approach uh to the meat cute uh one of the one of the great uh uh moments in the film that I uh I really appreciated was when Emons goes to the art gallery or whatnot and she's just walking around and Sam and Rose meat there's just this like kind of smile exchange and then she just starts laughing and that's that's it. This is adorable reaction. And I just thought of like Audrey Hepburn and I don't know why but that reaction that she has where she just giggles it just struck me as something that's very Audrey Hepurn and I was like oh I love this character even more now.

Supporting Cast And Romance Questions

SPEAKER_04 26:04

I find it funny that uh uh you know throughout all these items that we've kind of been discussing we we haven't even hit on um Blythe Danner or Tony Collette.

SPEAKER_03 26:13

Tony or Teddy for Ted Danson yeah we like three three three key characters to this talk please a Ted Danson Ted talk I'd be perfectly fine with that.

SPEAKER_04 26:23

Um yeah but we we've got three absolutely amazing actors who while they're in supporting esque roles are are bring so much to this the story and and everything that's going on. Blythe of course being Mariana Fisher uh which is Frank's mom uh the one who's suffering from some sort of dementia or um Alzheimer's uh and and is you know starting to make his life a little bit more difficult uh the fact that you know he's got a post bail and doesn't have the money for that um you know he he's trying to decide whether or not he needs to be putting her in a home but he knows he can't do that to her Tony Collette playing the landlord um and and it what an interesting uh character and character arc uh uh Tony and and uh Nick have together because there's this whole like are they in love? Aren't they in love? Does she actually like it? Because it looks like Nick likes her but is so confused by the whole relationship that even he realizes that this this is or this isn't going anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

I I can't tell and you know we had that we had that opposite reaction because when I first when we're watching the movie together and uh we see their first few interactions to me it's like she's so waiting for him to ask her out and he never does and she's like okay never mind like when he's like oh when you have some time to talk about a few things she's like I have time now and she's like looking at him you can see like this anticipation like is he going no it's no I'm I'm not gonna renew my lease oh that's not where I thought this conversation was going to be it is very interesting when they do go out on the date and they start a date it's not a date it's a date that's not a date because they start making out and then she sees some younger gentleman.

SPEAKER_04 28:13

I don't even remember like what exactly was going on there. This is my friend uh Frank yeah it's like oh we were literally just playing tonsil hockey and now you're gonna call me the friend no because that was like one kiss.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

And then she apologized for it and he was like no it's fine and they didn't go any further with it. So I yeah I think she was looking for like the thought that this might go further and I don't think he would ever go anywhere further with it.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

See and I felt like especially when he kind of like loses it on her oh yeah oh yeah more to your your comment about how he's the kid the entire time like he has this very immature reaction to all of it and ends up like snapping at her um going to her house and ringing her doorbell in the middle of the night drunk.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

But then you think you know I wonder how like if if this is the the the character backstory that you go with like Harry this guy is a big kid. That that's how we see him. And uh Offerman does this amazing job of being like super giddy like red wagon Christmas morning super super excited like little kid happy and then like I I'm trying to contain it. Yeah yeah I'm I'm I'm cool I'm cool cool cool and uh yeah so he has this like childish glee that comes out in this and maybe it it could stem from the fact that like hey after you lose somebody like they lost uh his wife and and her mother maybe people treat you with kid gloves for a very long time and everybody um is walking on eggshells for so long that you can act any way you want. And so you can be an impetulant child for as long as you want because nobody oh you're a widower. We don't want to you know so maybe that's a Yeah never really thought about that.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_04 30:02

Yeah. I uh I also think that uh i if there's one thing I'm gleaning from from you know just where he is as a person, uh it d he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who is out dating after his wife passed. And so like literally he's been off the market for the last fifteen or something odd years. I mean it has to have been about fifteen years in the sense that they never taught their daughter how to ride a bike. She she never learned how to ride a bicycle because her her mother died obviously on a bicycle but again she's about to go off to college so she's at least eighteen. Or is she going into m medical school she's going for pre-med she's going for pre-med by the city college is so long ago I'll remember I mean could could she have finished a four year college and now she's going into med?

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Let's call Brett out hey Brett I'm Brett Brett answer us this fun facts about the fun film fact.

Ted Danson Meta Plus Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_01 31:06

Ted Danson in this film is a bartender so uh like a stretch really for him as an actor well he's a high bartender and Sam was never high.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

Well I mean define a high because he did fall off the wagon at one point but that was uh was that payments or was that uh was that just alcohol no it was because Shelly Long left him and then he went off the wagon.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

Yeah because I remember important details of cheers so there is uh his character is evidently um was an actor on Broadway or he had one Broadway show and the Broadway show uh playbill is uh hanging above the bar uh it turns out that uh the show that is referenced uh Ted Danson was really in that show on Broadway. Yes and it it was one performance in 1973 in which he played a bartender.

SPEAKER_04 32:03

Oh that's meta wow that's super meta.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

But it's like you know it it almost seems like the world just wants Ted Danson to tend bar.

SPEAKER_04 32:12

I'd I'd want him to tend my bar. That sounds that that that did really sound a little like a little euphemism there. It did but no like like I would I would love to saddle up to like a bar and like just talk to Ted Danson because he seems like the kind of guy who would be like the bartender of your of your dreams. The kind of guy who'd be listening you know aptly to you and and and distilling that beautiful advice while like you know popping another beer and you know pouring another shot.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

Or yeah like take your time is what he says in this film. Take your time enjoy it.

SPEAKER_04 32:44

And then he just does a shot real quickly while he's saying that shouldn't we have shot glasses for this? No.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

See and that's the thing is I we don't really ever find out what that drink is.

SPEAKER_04 32:54

No.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

And I'm really curious it's the good stuff. Because part of me for that okay well because part of me was like tequila the acting uh obviously was was fantastic. It's uh it's a very uh robust uh cast of characters well and I I love Tony Collette and absolutely everything just an incredible yeah incredible actor yeah I know one day I'm gonna have to watch hereditary I don't like scary movies. Wow and but you'll do it for her I would I would do that for her because I'm sure I'm sure it's she's frickin' amazing in it and she'll get you through the film she'll get me through the film and then I will never sleep again.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

The young talent uh Sasha Lane and um Kiercey Clemens. Yes oh my God Yeah so good yeah and the fact that like you in instantly look at them and you're like oh my God have I seen you in something yeah it just seems so familiar. You especially Sasha and there were there are points uh uh that just made you feel like you knew them and they're such natural performances such beautiful performances uh really really amazing casting yeah just very very well done and I I like the uh parallel you know you have somebody who is just starting off in life uh and then you have somebody who's uh their kids leaving the nest and so it's a new stage in life for them and it's redefining who they are. Both of them are at a point where they're finding themselves again right she's discovering who she is because she's going away to college. He's discovering who he is without being a dad and uh it being his primary thing like and being a record store owner. He has to reinvent himself and and she's reinventing herself and yet to be there for each other in that moment. And that's one of the reasons this film is so touching is because it's something that everybody can kind of relate to.

SPEAKER_04 34:49

Yeah. Yeah.

Closing Thanks And Links

SPEAKER_04 34:50

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