Cold Open And A Strong Pour

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Your drink could have been a tranquilizer. Oh god, wait, let's stop. Let's no.

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Oh I mean honestly. I think the abstinf might have been the uh the problem. The nail on

Festival Roots And The Film Pick

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the coffin greetings and or salutations and welcome to Imbibe Cinema. The Imbibe Cinema podcast is brought to you by the Blue Whiskey Independent Film Festival, otherwise known as Bwiff. I'm Jonathan Sealeggan, along with my co-host, Trisha Leggett, as well as producer, uh Michael Noens. In this episode, we're going to be discussing a 2009 documentary improv. Trust us, this is all made up, which did air at uh the first annual Blue Whiskey Independent Film Festival.

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It did back in 2010.

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Yeah.

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Um, it was, I think, our first feature that we screened at the festival.

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So it was opening night feature?

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It was the opening night feature film. Oh, wow. Our first night of the festival is the only time we've ever had two screens at the same time. The festival was only three days Thursday, Friday, Saturday, that's what it was. And then the awards were on Sunday. So um that Thursday night, we uh had a space next door. Um, it was at the village of Palatine, and it was a little meeting room that we had a second really screening. And it was just so that way we can get in all of the films that we had. That we had selected for that year. Um, and then we were like, This is this is splitting our audience. And we had, I mean, just in night one, we had people that were like, Oh, I I wish I could see that. Yeah. And we were like, Well, we would have to extend the festival to do what a lot of other festivals do, where they show the film multiple times.

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Oh, okay. You have multiple opportunities.

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Yeah. Well, and and because our first venue seated like over 400 people, we were like, There's plenty of space. Let's just maximize our audience. I I don't remember if I was part of WIF.

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I don't think you're one.

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Probably not.

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And that's why you don't remember because John wasn't there. Because John wasn't there. That is memorable.

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Anyway,

Mixing A Yes And Cocktail

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the cocktail we are imbibing is called Yes and. If you've ever done improv, uh it is you uh set a base and then you say yes and and so what we did is uh Michael chose bourbon as his base.

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After John explained what the base of a drink would be.

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Yes.

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Because that's how clueless I am.

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Also fair. Um, and then we went round Robin and each of us selected objects uh from the bar uh to add to uh his cocktail. And then I chose Fodka and we went twice around for being so it was an improvised cocktail.

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Yes. And uh Trisha improvised her own cocktail, which has kicked in well. Oh good. So what what are you drinking?

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I was cold, so I decided I wanted some tea. And so I am having pomegranate raspberry hot tea, and I was just gonna put a little little bit of the barrel dragon milk stout barrel bourbon. Whatever the title really is. And I might have poured more than a splash in my glass by accident, where the alcohol was made more effective in the heating of it.

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It was a heated mess. Uh look for episode recap, uh link in our show notes where you'll find a written summary of our discussion, along with a picture of our cocktails and uh well, for ingredients. Yes, and yeah. Yeah.

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You gotta do this on your own. We trust you.

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And it's crowdsourced.

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It is a team, it is a group activity.

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Yes. Like improv.

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Exactly.

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All right. Speaking

Second City Training And Dropout Lore

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of, I know that Trisha, you came with a background of Second City. Yes. I did you from a background of Second City. We are improvisers at heart. I think one of the reasons that you and I uh work so well together.

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Is our marriage is improvised?

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That's that's a deep cut.

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If it was deep cut, then I would say you know, 60% of all improv is bad.

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Just like our oh. It's well placed.

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Like you want me to be me? I will. Yes answer. I am only yes anding, and I am in trouble for it.

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Hmm. No, I'm just yes handing your yes and.

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Are you though?

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Yes. And so, no, I was gonna say one of the reasons that you and I work so well together is you keep me on top of my game, challenge me, and I I feel that I, as an improviser, or hopefully as a husband, am better because of you than I would be without you.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

That's so romantic. Romans? Romance. Right back at you.

SPEAKER_04 5:25

Aw, thank you. So I I I graduated uh from the conservatory program.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

Oh, and those who don't know Second City and its curriculum. So is there many different things you can do. Uh we both took different classes. I took improv uh A through E. So it's like a year of improv with you study your same group goes through different teachers. And then you went for improv for actors. Yes, right?

SPEAKER_04 5:55

I I took the short track, which is a uh a two-course instead of A through E. Uh-huh. You do improv for actors, it's a two-course thing.

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Everybody can do those things. I mean you're you're paying the money and they're teaching you to be funny.

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Hopefully.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

There's also writing classes at Second City for sketch comedy, and then they audition actors. And I uh I got in the show. They did not blend with the cast. They were lovely people, but they were too cool for me. I hung out with the writers, I thought they were cooler. Then there's another level to Second City, it's the conservatory.

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Yes.

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And that you have to audition to get in. And then as John pointed out, you have to audition a second time, and that is halfway through, or like two classes in, just to get like so it's like a midterms kind of situation.

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John went right from Improfer actors into and got into the conservatory, which is impressive.

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Not everybody gets into the conservatory.

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Fair.

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Then you auditioned again and got in. And you completed and graduated.

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And got a shirt. That was the diploma, is they hand you a shirt.

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That's nice. Do you still have the shirt?

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I do have the shirt.

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Where did I put that shirt? It's around here somewhere. And then years later, after we met and uh we're talking and such, and you dared me to audition. Seven years later, I had done no improv in seven years, and you were like, I dare you to audition for the conservatory. And so I did. And I got in. And then I dropped out because a second city dropout is cooler.

SPEAKER_04 7:33

And um so to be fair, Second City dropout. Yeah. It it it's a total.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Yeah, it makes me seem like I'm edgier, you know.

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So so one of the issues. One of the things that I like, I I I uh you know, I mean, absolute kudos to you uh on on doing that. And as you lovingly pointed out, it was seven years after you had done A through E. So, like with me, I got into the conservatory with people whom I had been in improv for actors with or had seen in the in in the most recent years.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

No, that's true. Um improv has a lot to do with um comfortability. Yeah, and and in this movie. Yeah. It TJ and Dave worked together a long time. They really know each other. Correct. And when you know each other really well, not just as people, but more importantly, when you know how each other are on stage.

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Yes. Right.

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Then then it's it's it's like playing catch.

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It's complimenting.

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Then you know you can throw them a curveball and they're gonna they're gonna see it complaining.

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Catch in the way that you hope that they're going to. Yes.

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So our

The Joy And Risk Of Support

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suggestion was open heart surgery. Nice. And and we like all step forward, and this one brave individual immediately just lays down on the ground. And uh and I happen to be center, and um, and I think I realized the moment she realized, oh crap. Like the scene, she can't be part of the scene if she's the body.

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Yeah.

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And it was like, that's so not fair. Here she was like, I'll do this, and now you've just written yourself out, right? I was like, doctor, doctor, doctor, great. I'm so glad you all could be here for the first open heart surgery while the patient is conscious. She's gonna tell us how she's feeling. This is also my first open heart surgery, so it's a first for everyone kind of thing. Like, I think that's what got me through was the fact that I immediately it was like we're we're we're here together. Yeah. And that was one of the things that there are people in improv that are so amazing to work with. And the same thing with actors. There are so many people that like they give, they give so much, and you in that you can really play and and they uh they heighten your game. Yes. And then there are those who are there to be the punchline, they are there to be the star. And I don't sometimes it's ego, and sometimes it's just that's how they play.

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Yeah.

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They don't know how to support someone else, they only know how to run it the end zone, you know. And so, like watching this movie really brought me back to that time.

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100%.

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Uh, and I think improv when it goes well, because a lot of times it doesn't. Yeah, hence the 60%. Yes. Um uh improv when it goes well, it's like it's like everybody's playing instruments, and when it goes well, all of a sudden it's music.

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Yes.

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And long form is which is what they were doing. One of the things that is beautiful to watch when it's going well, is how as they are finding new things, they will bring something back to the city. Oh, yeah.

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They're constantly hitting the circle.

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And as they do that, there is a natural arc that forms, and then there is like a natural ending. And I know that like the lighting people, like there are people like they don't call what it's looking for that. Yeah, they have to look for it. Yeah, it's fun to watch.

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No, the the the the lighting person needs to understand improv and understand arc. Uh they all they are almost the storyteller in the sense that like the if they if they lights out, that was where they have determined the show. The the the the the arc has ended. Long form for the most part is based on audience suggestion.

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Sure.

Why TJ And Dave Feel Psychic

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There was no suggestions.

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No, I was gonna say, so my experience, I haven't done uh any training in improv. I I did some really terrible improv in high school. Um I talk about things going bad, and then I realized I am not the right person for this. I panic. Um, I'm not good for anybody up here. But I, you know, I really admire people who do it well and also love it. But anyway, so shortly after college, a group of my friends, one of which we've had on the show, Mr. Mark Muzinski, was part of a group here in Chicago called Octavarius. Yes. They did long form improv. They always referred to it as their own blend. It was like a game that they would play at the very beginning. Yes. They would all stand up, I think, in a line at the front of the stage. And it was like a courtroom game. Like one person would step forward and they would talk about something that, you know, happened to them that day, or, you know, like where they went to lunch. Uh so it would be something like I I was having uh lunch with Julia at Panera, and somebody else in the group would step forward and be like, objection! Julia is a offensive name. Yeah. And the the uh the judge uh for uh for that week would be like sustained or overruled, and then that next person would then be able to get up and and and share their thing.

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Okay.

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So they would do something like that for like 15 minutes, and uh and then the content that they got out of that would be the rest of the show. Um and it was like it was about like an hour, and they were a big group. They were like eight to well, it was octavarius, they were eight, eight or nine. Um, and so with this, I thought it was really fascinating because you have two people. Yep. And then yeah, to you know, John was going into is there is no suggestion from the audience. And um one of the things that I I wrote down in the uh interviews that they're having at the beginning at the top of the film, TJ says, you know, we're like we look at each other and then we know everything. Yeah.

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If you haven't had that experience, it does sound like they're they're just they're talking crazy. But one of the things that is so incredible that when you watch them perform, especially that very first moment, are jumping off point, is they take the time to just really just settle and and kind of do a lot of nonverbal, just look at each other and kind of figure it out. And a lot of performers are afraid of a quiet moment, they're afraid of that in improv because A, there's usually a lot more people and a quiet moment, somebody will go, oh no, silence, and then they'll jump on it. Yeah, right. So in order to not get steamrolled by somebody else, correct, you will try to, you know, uh move is move quickly. But the level of confidence and and just it it was so cool to watch. It was like they were just slipping into these characters.

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Correct.

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And yeah.

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Simple gestures uh uh established who the characters that they were currently at were, and just TJ specifically nodding, nodding with a a very knowing look upon his face, Dave specifically looking at him, you know, understanding the the the two of them do this great job melding these characters and and establishing these characters that they they then bring back or character swap, where uh all of a sudden Dave is playing Claire, who TJ has been playing, you know, all over and over again.

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They make sure that every character has a specific verbal tick or physical tick, or usually both. Yep. And then they can transfer those characteristics. Yeah. And so it's like, oh, well, you put this costume on, yes, and now you're this. And uh with Claire, the the beauty of that isn't the effeminate voice, it isn't the the way she moves her hands, it's the door. You want it open? Do you want it closed?

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You want it open, slightly, slightly, slightly. I mean, I can close it just a little bit more. I get oh yeah, like everything.

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Because this is a movie that I saw when we were programming it for the film festival many years ago. I've seen this movie a number of times. And I go back to it. I I I bought the movie uh on uh on Apple TV, so it's out there, buy it. I bought it because it makes me smile um every time because I think of it, you know, as you know, like watching a really good improv show. Yes. If you're not familiar with this, you just think that they're crazy. Once you've gone through it and you've now experienced the show and you re-watch especially the interview, the the the way that they're describing it at the beginning, it lands different. Right. Because now you have context. Exactly. And you get a little bit more out of it the more that you you watch it. And there's not too many documentaries like this that do that. If you don't know what's going on, you think, okay, long form, they're just they're gonna pick two characters and we're just gonna figure these two characters out. And then the moment that TJ moves over and becomes this other character, and then Dave's like, have you been there the entire time? Yeah, like so funny. Correct. Like, it's we're figuring out the environment together, like the audience is figuring it out at the same time that they're figuring it out, and it's so fun.

What The Documentary Reveals After

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One of my favorite things about this particular documentary is the fact that after the the show has concluded, it goes back with TJ and Dave. Yes, and the two of them discussing did did you see that I was having a gin and tonic like all this to the to the level of hey, I swapped into your character, did you see that this is what was happening? But one of the things that they did call out was this is the first time in a while, or or you know, it's been a while since we've had this many characters um that that they had swapped into. And you know, it shows that they have this many characters in this particular thing. There's the bartender, there's the the drunk asshole who wants to kidnap people. You know, there's there's just duct tape them to a chair. Yeah, he just wants to ductate people to the chair. There's the three guys in the accounting office, there's the secretary, there's the boss. Like they did a a long form where there's many characters.

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One of them created it on stage a minute ago, and the other one is now taking that persona on, and we all recognize it as the same person. Yeah. And that is so cool.

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Yeah, they do such a seamless job of it.

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And one of the things, okay, so improv, a lot of people think, oh, it's funny. And it is. But long form can be funny, but it can also have these tender, sweet, honest moments that you don't expect from improv.

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Yeah.

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And that kind of balance where like it's only funny because it can be sad, and it's only sad because it can be funny.

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Because you can't be at hilarity all the time.

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Because then you break it like Will Farrell.

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We love you, Will.

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Hashtag we love you.

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By the way, the connection to Will Farrell in this is actually legit. Uh, Stranger Than Fiction, one of my favorite movies of all time in my top five for sure. TJ and Dave are in the office. Yes, they are. And they have uh these adorable characters.

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Yep. Yeah.

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I think one of them has, if I can remember this correctly, it's been a while since they've seen the movie. One of them has like a Bluetooth and is just talking to nobody. And it's like, I don't know if he actually has a Bluetooth in his ear or if he he just sold it so well.

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Well, we'll have to rewatch it because it is on our list, and hopefully we'll be watching it next season. Great movie.

SPEAKER_04 19:32

So, anyways, we're gonna take a few moments to fill our glasses and get ready to buy more after this.

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The Blue Whiskey Independent Film Festival exhibits short and feature-length motion pictures that utilize story elements in a new and exciting way. Our official selections are a carefully assembled blend of imaginative, sophisticated, and full-bodied stories. This is what our name represents. With audiences expect to experience character-driven, independent cinema that is fueled by the filmmakers' passion for the art of visual storytelling. Filmmakers can expect an intimate festival experience where their personal story is valued as much as the one projected on the big screen.

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I'm

A Documentary That Plays Like A Show

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Jonathan C. Leggett, and I'm here along with Trisha Leggett and Michael Noens discussing.

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Trust us, this is all made up. When I first saw it, I wasn't sure if we were just gonna be seeing clips from the show and this was gonna be interview-based. Yes. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

Which is very current documentary form.

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Sure. And what I thought was kind of fascinating is it's like, oh, the show begins and I keep waiting for them to pop out of the show.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

And they didn't. And then I was like, is this, you know, like this doesn't feel like a documentary. I feel like now I'm just watching a show, but I'm watching a live show as if it were shot like a documentary. Correct. So it it it was very out uh to me, it felt very out of the box, kind of like half documentary, half comedy special.

SPEAKER_04 21:27

Yeah, very much so.

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And I thought it was just a fascinating structure that worked really, really well.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Okay, so the beret.

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Oh, god, yes. My beret on straight call back to it.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

We all know he's putting something out of his head, but we don't necessarily. Claire's like, he's wearing the beret. Like, we know when that comes out, this is bad. For one sentence, you're like, oh, this has a history. Yeah. And which is great. But my favorite part is like they know enough French, and you can tell from all the things they say throughout the show, they know enough French. French, both of them. And yet, instead of just saying au revoir, which we would all know, she she says, well, bonjour. And it's so funny.

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Yeah.

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It's so funny. Because you were actively making the wrong choice. The wrong choice. Which makes it seem more real.

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Yep.

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And then he's bonjour back and then leaves it.

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After trying to duct tape the boss. No. No. No. No. No. No.

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No. It was a lot of fun to watch.

The Beret Callback And Smart Wrong Choices

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One of the fun like Easter eggs to find is when you see stand-up comics do monologues and they use anything. I have a ball. Yeah. Or I believe this or that. You can see ones who have been trained. It always goes back on the shelf. It always gets put away. Whatever they make out of thin air, they're gonna like uh like I Stephen Colbert is famous for it. But like he had like pretend glasses and then he would just fold them up and put them in his pocket. Yeah. Like, or he had a shelf to put things on. And so but nothing things don't just disappear. Disappear inhos. Right. If you're miming something, it has to like then be put down.

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Somewhere. Yeah. Put down with intention and there is a firmness to something. Like with a cell phone or a glass. If I were to set down the glass, I wouldn't just be like there's a little added weight.

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Yeah.

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And there's like a and that is fun to see. Yep. There was

Trust On Stage And Audience Suggestions

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another quote that I wrote down that I just thought was so fascinating about like the relationship between improvisers. And it kind of calls back to what you guys were talking about with like, you know, your experiences. I think it was Dave that said, You're so good. There's nothing that I can do or say that can hurt you. Yeah. And I just thought it was it was so interesting to hear the seriousness, the gravitas of what they were doing in such a serious way, like taking it so seriously, in the sense of what we ended up seeing in this particular production, they really weren't mean to one another.

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Correct.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

But I can totally see where perhaps the as he even references, some shows are silly, some shows are sad, some shows are maybe more almost dramatic than they are comedy. And perhaps there is a more of a villainous character there that says things that may come from something they've experienced together, may even come from something that hits close to home with the other person. But knowing what we're doing and knowing what we're trying to create, you're in safe hands. Yeah. Improvisational trust falls.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Yeah, well, it is, it is. And that's like wait, there are companies that have it for trust exercises. Yeah. But also, like, there is like this band of brothers, soldiers on the front lines together, right? Like you, if you flopped on stage or you were in danger of just like looking like an idiot, yeah, and somebody else saves your bacon on stage, that that is a bond. Yeah. Because you know they've got you and you've got them.

SPEAKER_02 25:25

We get this recording, so it's like we have the show, yeah, and it's really funny. And I could see that they could be doing this show over and over and over and over again. Yeah. But uh, and like fine-tuning it, making it and buttoning it up and you know, and having it grow. But it's like, nope, that will, to their point, like that show will never happen again. That just that was just that show.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

And anybody who's uh had to do the same show over and over and over again knows how hard it is to keep it fresh, to not get stale by saying things the same way over and over again, but then not going too far off where you lose the tone or the pacing and keeping it like in the sweet spot. Yep. Like that's that's a different skill set, and it's really hard. This is also equally difficult. Yes. Uh being able to uh come up with something new every time. So if you were at an improv show, they always ask for a suggestion.

SPEAKER_04 26:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

If I were an audience, I would suggest this because I know exactly what I would suggest.

SPEAKER_04 26:28

Really?

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:29

Exactly. Okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Inner thoughts. Fuck. Nice. I think that would be an incredible show to have everybody being like acting like they're talking, but you're only hearing their inner thoughts. But that would only be if they came to that conclusion.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

I was actually thinking of the last time that I went to go see a show that had improv. I was like, don't pick me, don't pick me, don't ask me. Um, and it's mostly because it's like, don't pick on me. I don't have an idea. You know what I mean? I don't want I don't need the imp the pressure of an idea when everybody else is like. Yeah. Especially if, hey, we need to be funny, give us an idea that's gonna be funny. That's that's too much pressure.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

I had if I could give a suggestion to an improv group. Yes. Uh, or if I if I could give one, that would be the one I would, because that would be an interesting scene to see. John, do you have a suggestion that you've gotten from the audience in an improv scene that was your favorite? That you were like, Yes. Or you could go, this is the worst one we've ever gotten.

SPEAKER_04 27:31

Head of an eagle.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

What? Head of a needle or head of an eagle?

SPEAKER_04 27:36

No. Head of a needle.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

It's like, how many. No, that's not a head of a pin.

SPEAKER_04 27:42

Yeah, how many, how many angels are on the head of an eagle? It's a pin, though. So that is the the worst suggestion that I have ever received. That is the like, what the fuck are you doing to me, you asshole? It is the head of an needle. I got nothing. No, we threw it out, and they were the one like it wasn't like we pointed at somebody and said, you asshole, say something that is going to fuck us all over.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Um, like you know if the more you drink, the more swears.

SPEAKER_04 28:08

Uh you know, they say that that people who swear will live longer. They're smarter, apparently, too. And smarter. They have higher IQ. Higher I yes, I have a higher IQ because I swear. Really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

They say that?

SPEAKER_04 28:19

Yes, they say that. Yeah, they scientifically proven. They, the scientific people.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

I'd love to see the studies. Can you show me those? Well, are there charts?

SPEAKER_04 28:30

I do know that.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

Look for the links in our uh show notes.

SPEAKER_04 28:35

We greatly appreciate all of our listeners in this podcast supporting independent films and the Blue Whiskey Independent Film Festival. I am Jonathan St. Leggett, and thanks for imbibing with us. Cheers.